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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    A couple issues here that some don't seem to understand, first of all public sector jobs are Federal, State, and local and unlike the Federal Govt. the states have to balance their budgets and thus the first thing to go is going to be state employees. During strong economic growth like during the Reagan years state employment is going to grow which will skew the public sector jobs up but what happened during the Reagan years is that both public and private sector jobs grew to the tune of over 17 million.

    So many people here want to give Clinton credit for the economic results of the 90's and I give him credit for being a good politician as well as a willingness to actually negotiate with the Republican Controlled Congress even though it didn't appear so in the Press. You see it was Clinton who signed most of the Contract with America after publicly speaking out against it. It was Clinton that signed off on Republican budgets after shutting down the govt. over those budgets. It was Clinton who signed welfare reform after vetoing the same GOP Legislation he vetoed. It was Clinton who signed NAFTA after campaigning against it. Republicans took control of the Congress in the 1994 elections for the first time in decades and held control of the House until the 2002 elections. The Senate went 50-50 in 2001 but Democrats controlled the major committees

    So not sure what you are trying to show here but there is a story behind those numbers and it all boils down to leadership skills which Obama seriously lacks. A good leader wouldn't be taking vacations with so many Americans unemployed and such poor economic growth. A good leader wouldn't be playing golf so many times with the massive debt Obama has accumulated and the toxic attitude in D.C. A good leader would hole up in D.C. and make the Congress do the same thing until they reached a deal on consensus and would do what Reagan did, go to the American people almost daily selling his economic plan and making people feel good about their country, not promoting a divisive economic and foreign policy.

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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    All these issues (unemployment, debt, stagnant economy, massive poverty and inequality) that are on a much larger scale than just the US. It has to do with globalization and until we address the real issue and leave behind the partisan hackery nothing will ever really get resolved.
    To some extent that is true and why we needed someone with the experience to handle a private sector economy that has to compete in a global world. Saddling the private sector with more regulations and higher taxes isn't going to help anyone compete in the global economy. It is a leaders responsibility to destroy partisan hackery so tell me what Obama has done to do that?

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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

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    To some extent that is true and why we needed someone with the experience to handle a private sector economy that has to compete in a global world. Saddling the private sector with more regulations and higher taxes isn't going to help anyone compete in the global economy. It is a leaders responsibility to destroy partisan hackery so tell me what Obama has done to do that?

    Oh, oh, oh *with hand raised with excitement* Um....increased it? Stirred it up? Used as a tool of Alinsky level agitation?
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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Obviously you don't understand the statistic.
    I clearly understand it much better than you.

    The fact that it doesn't include marginally attached or discouraged workers and completely misses the difference between retirees and those forced into early retirement -- all of these people that the U-3 doesn't track would, if available, take a job
    How does that work? How could they take a job they haven't applied for or even asked about? How could they take a job without looking for one? The people aren't available until they try to find work.


    doesn't track labor available like you think it does.
    anyone not trying to work is not available for work. That shouldn't't even be a discussion.
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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    How does that work? How could they take a job they haven't applied for or even asked about? How could they take a job without looking for one? The people aren't available until they try to find work.

    So why have they given up then? I mean, if we are to believe what you are saying, and jobs are out there for the taking, then why aren't they applying? Surely they are not all winning the lottery are they? (well, in a sense, with handouts, maybe they are)
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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Not available? Why?
    How many people who have not applied or asked about a job do you think an employer can hire? Do you think they go door to door looking for workers?

    Someone not trying to work cannot be hired and is therefore not available.
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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    How many people who have not applied or asked about a job do you think an employer can hire? Do you think they go door to door looking for workers?

    Someone not trying to work cannot be hired and is therefore not available.
    You avoided the question....Why are they unavailable?
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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    How many people who have not applied or asked about a job do you think an employer can hire? Do you think they go door to door looking for workers?

    Someone not trying to work cannot be hired and is therefore not available.
    Have you ever opened up the want ads in the paper? Pages and pages of ads looking for workers. Many of those who stopped looking have no incentive to work and no they don't have to go door to door but only open the newspaper to the want ads. Business advertise for workers and don't go door to door any more.

    Someone not trying to work under liberalism doesn't need to get work as there are many social programs funded by the 50% of the income earning families that pay net taxes that they get their income without doing a thing. This seems to be the liberal elite's dream, permanent dependence and thus permanent power

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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    So not sure what you are trying to show here but there is a story behind those numbers and it all boils down to leadership skills which Obama seriously lacks. A good leader wouldn't be taking vacations with so many Americans unemployed and such poor economic growth. A good leader wouldn't be playing golf so many times with the massive debt Obama has accumulated and the toxic attitude in D.C. A good leader would hole up in D.C. and make the Congress do the same thing until they reached a deal on consensus and would do what Reagan did, go to the American people almost daily selling his economic plan and making people feel good about their country, not promoting a divisive economic and foreign policy.
    I'm showing numbers while your selling partisan hackery. No one president is responsible for our economy but each and everyone has had a hand in the direction it has gone. All (IMHO) in not so good a direction for several decades now.

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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    To some extent that is true and why we needed someone with the experience to handle a private sector economy that has to compete in a global world. Saddling the private sector with more regulations and higher taxes isn't going to help anyone compete in the global economy. It is a leaders responsibility to destroy partisan hackery so tell me what Obama has done to do that?
    Obama has merely continued to protect the creditor class at the expense of the unemployed. I see no proof of a president put forth (paid for by big money) in front of the public that was going to change that trend whether with a D or an R put in front of his name.

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