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Sorry, my "Libertarian-Left" viewpoint is based on business models that work from enlightened self-interest, not rapacious greed. The Wal-Mart business model is one of the most selfish, short-sighted, and economically destructive in the American market. That's how I see it anyway.
I understood your opinion. It makes you no different than any of the other wannabe tyrants who want to take property away from others. Thuggery is thuggery.
 
I understood your opinion. It makes you no different than any of the other wannabe tyrants who want to take property away from others. Thuggery is thuggery.

Cry that attitude to the French Aristocracy whose rapacious greed led to the backlash of the Reign of Terror. Or the Russian nobility during the Communist revolution. Or the Robber Barons of American history that led to worker uprisings and union warfare. Or any other similar situations in world history.

When you deliberately create a massive economic divide between the haves and have nots by gaining control of ALL the property in a society, then try grasping the moral high ground by claiming it as your "just due," whether by birth or simple robbery...you will inevitably create such "thugs and thuggery" out of your own devices.

Hence, my support of business models adhering to enlightened self-interest. Share some and even if you keep most, people remain happy. Share none, and people will eventually try to take it ALL away from you.
 
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Maybe they are set up in the same place that GM went....


....Every time a company closes a factory in the USA and moves it to a foreign land, that is one less productive resource in the USA. Every time a company hires a foreign crew to work in that factory, that is one less crew of employed Americans able to buy those foreign-made products. Every time Americans who still have jobs buy cheap merchandise from such a company, they send their money overseas to pay those foreign workers and enrich that foreign land at the expense of the USA. They are also perpetuating the model that will eventually cost them their own jobs as well.

As for American workers hired by such a company in their outlet stores located here in the USA? Well, when 1/4 of them are part-time, 1/4 are temporary contract workers, and the remaining "full-time" 1/2 work less than 30 hours a week...they end up putting most of their wages right back into the same company because all they can afford is the cheap foreign stuff. All adds up to more debt in the USA as more wealth goes to rich American owners and foreign lands.
 
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Cry that attitude to the French Aristocracy whose rapacious greed led to the backlash of the Reign of Terror. Or the Russian nobility during the Communist revolution. Or the Robber Barons of American history that led to worker uprisings and union warfare. Or any other similar situations in world history.

When you deliberately create a massive economic divide between the haves and have nots by gaining control of ALL the property in a society, then try grasping the moral high ground by claiming it as your "just due," whether by birth or simple robbery...you will inevitably create such "thugs and thuggery" out of your own devices.

Hence, my support of business models adhering to enlightened self-interest. Share some and even if you keep most, people remain happy. Share none, and people will eventually try to take it ALL away from you.
Pretty it up all that you want. It is still the same thing. You have the heart of a thug. You have the heart of a tyrant. I get it. The rule of law means little to you.

Today you cry for the jungle. When the jungle comes what will you cry for? I humbly suggest you change your lean to statist or authoritarian.
 
....Every time a company closes a factory in the USA and moves it to a foreign land, that is one less productive resource in the USA. Every time a company hires a foreign crew to work in that factory, that is one less crew of employed Americans able to buy those foreign-made products. Every time Americans who still have jobs buy cheap merchandise from such a company, they send their money overseas to pay those foreign workers and enrich that foreign land at the expense of the USA. They are also perpetuating the model that will eventually cost them their own jobs as well.

As for American workers hired by such a company in their outlet stores located here in the USA? Well, when 1/4 of them are part-time, 1/4 are temporary contract workers, and the remaining "full-time" 1/2 work less than 30 hours a week...they end up putting most of their wages right back into the same company because all they can afford is the cheap foreign stuff. All adds up to more debt in the USA as more wealth goes to rich American owners and foreign lands.

Perhaps you should spend a small amount of time wondering why governments chase away the productive...
 
....Every time a company closes a factory in the USA and moves it to a foreign land, that is one less productive resource in the USA. Every time a company hires a foreign crew to work in that factory, that is one less crew of employed Americans able to buy those foreign-made products. Every time Americans who still have jobs buy cheap merchandise from such a company, they send their money overseas to pay those foreign workers and enrich that foreign land at the expense of the USA. They are also perpetuating the model that will eventually cost them their own jobs as well.

Should these large corporations stay in America, and operate at a loss, paying a janitor of a line $25. per hour to empty the waste baskets so that you can feel good about them? Should they stay here when regulatory morass has their operating costs so high that they have to shutter lines to comply with painting a yellow line leading to the rest rooms for the people who have worked there for 20 years? Should they report to the shareholders that they are not making any profit, because people like you think that profit is evil, and unfair?

As for American workers hired by such a company in their outlet stores located here in the USA? Well, when 1/4 of them are part-time, 1/4 are temporary contract workers, and the remaining "full-time" 1/2 work less than 30 hours a week...

Yep, thank things like Obamacare for that....It is redefining the work week to less than 30 hours, and that now counts as a "job". Do you support Obamacare?

they end up putting most of their wages right back into the same company because all they can afford is the cheap foreign stuff. All adds up to more debt in the USA as more wealth goes to rich American owners and foreign lands.

Ok, so what's your model? High cost items so they can be tagged USA? Less people being able to afford them at that point unless you are the elite? The rest can eat cake I suppose....And be thankful for that. Nah, we've seen your model before, and it is a failed one. It's called Fascist Communism.

You seem to think it is "enlightened", but I say it is worn out, and historically flawed...Just look at the great learning example of East vs. West Berlin from the end of WWII to the fall of the wall.
 
Pretty it up all that you want. It is still the same thing. You have the heart of a thug. You have the heart of a tyrant. I get it. The rule of law means little to you.

Today you cry for the jungle. When the jungle comes what will you cry for? I humbly suggest you change your lean to statist or authoritarian.

LOL Nice try. Ignore reality and surround yourself with hired security as you continue to use what you call the "rule of law" to create the very mob mentality you fear so much.

I prefer to diffuse that possibility by advocating businesses engage in sane methods of profit by thinking long-term stable growth rather than short-term rapacious growth. Something like logging firms who replant trees and give them time to regrow so they have future resources to draw upon; rather than the old chop, chop, chop and who cares if we run out of trees as long as we can make a profit now mentality.
 
Should these large corporations stay in America, and operate at a loss, paying a janitor of a line $25. per hour to empty the waste baskets so that you can feel good about them? Should they stay here when regulatory morass has their operating costs so high that they have to shutter lines to comply with painting a yellow line leading to the rest rooms for the people who have worked there for 20 years? Should they report to the shareholders that they are not making any profit, because people like you think that profit is evil, and unfair?....

There it goes, the old "blame everyone else but corporate greed for the ills of the current economy" meme.

Of course, none of that was the result of fiat currency and the inherent inflation that goes with it. So inherent that all of members who claim to be economists argue about how "normal" it is and how it should be ignored or accepted. Why should anyone expect more wages when their original pay doesn't cover their basic needs anymore due to devalued currency?

None of that was the result of stockholder greed, demanding massive returns on relatively minimal investments which led to policies of cutting costs by any means necessary to increase profits. An attitude happily supported by coporate officers whose efforts allow them to demand annual salaries 150 or more times greater than any worker they get rid of.

None of that was the result of business practices that turned entire rivers into such polluted messes they frequently caught fire, or areas of land so poisonous people died living on or near them. Practically forcing government interference in environmental regulation.

Of course, it's all the Unions fault for developing out of the horrors of American sweat shops, unsafe mines, and factory nightmares. Where men, women and even children were compelled to work 12 to 15 hour days little better than paid serfs just to make enough to make ends meet.

BTW, all this wealth and power was built on land and resources stolen from the original owners and then "legally" transferred by the magic of "land claims." Of course a land claim was nothing more than "I just killed the prior owners, so this is MINE now." Well, with that as a historical basis, it's hard to argue that someone else can't come along and simply TAKE what was yours if they get strong enough and pissed enough to do so.

Now, you blame a particular political party, and a particular President who happens to currently hold the office instead of recognizing no political party has the moral high ground here? You don't strike me as a man who is himself a "captain of industry" rolling around in wealth you feel needs protecting; you sound more like a drone indoctrinated in the ideals that greed is good and if you only wait long enough and get lucky enough you too will reap the rewards and get to have your kids prance around the world like Paris Hilton.

I am no "leveler." I think every man IS entitled to the fruits of his labor or the wealth gained by his mind. All I am saying is, why cut your own throat by destroying the very economy that allowed you to gain those fruits and that wealth?
 
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The Wal-Mart business model is one of the most selfish, short-sighted, and economically destructive in the American market.

It is a business model that made Walmart the largest retailer in the world so at least it was successful. Please note that nobody is forced to work at Walmart and nobody is forced to shop there. It became the world's largest retailer by providing what people want. Walmart earns the money it has. The real destructive greed lies in those who want to take it away from Walmart without earning it. I have no respect at all for that.
 
It is a business model that made Walmart the largest retailer in the world so at least it was successful. Please note that nobody is forced to work at Walmart and nobody is forced to shop there. It became the world's largest retailer by providing what people want. Walmart earns the money it has. The real destructive greed lies in those who want to take it away from Walmart without earning it. I have no respect at all for that.

I have no respect for people who see only the short-term benefits and ignore the long-term detriments. Those "benefits" and detriments have been clearly explained. Perhaps you need a lesson in what "greed" really means? :confused:
 
I have no respect for people who see only the short-term benefits and ignore the long-term detriments. Those "benefits" and detriments have been clearly explained. Perhaps you need a lesson in what "greed" really means? :confused:

Thanks but I have a dictionary.
 
Thanks but I have a dictionary.

What is frustrating is the political greed that is occurring today all in the "name of compassion' where the liberal elite claim that want to help but what they are doing is helping themselves to power by creating dependence. Amazing how anyone can support a 3.77 trillion dollar govt. and then demonize the businesses that create the real jobs in this country, the private sector.

There isn't a person that has to shop at Walmart and there isn't a person that has to work at Walmart. The entitlement society is destroying this country and is being spurred on by the left all with the desire to retain power. Not many people really know the Walmart model and talk out their rear ends not knowing that Walmart creates value for the consumers, gives people a starter job, offers benefits, and promotes from within. Not a bad model for many workers who lack the education and experience yet can actually get a job and work their way into a management position. Today we need the Walmart's of the world and anything else that will build businesses that create jobs and that isn't the Federal Govt.
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What is frustrating is the political greed that is occurring today all in the "name of compassion' where the liberal elite claim that want to help but what they are doing is helping themselves to power by creating dependence. Amazing how anyone can support a 3.77 trillion dollar govt. and then demonize the businesses that create the real jobs in this country, the private sector.

There isn't a person that has to shop at Walmart and there isn't a person that has to work at Walmart. The entitlement society is destroying this country and is being spurred on by the left all with the desire to retain power. Not many people really know the Walmart model and talk out their rear ends not knowing that Walmart creates value for the consumers, gives people a starter job, offers benefits, and promotes from within. Not a bad model for many workers who lack the education and experience yet can actually get a job and work their way into a management position. Today we need the Walmart's of the world and anything else that will build businesses that create jobs and that isn't the Federal Govt.
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What they refuse to understand is that every single nickel of wealth in our society arose and arises from business profits. They live in the world's wealthiest nation because of business profits. They have their bloated government because of business profits. They even own their homes and cars thanks to business profits. Yet they hate business profits. It is ignorance that borders on stupidity.
 
What is frustrating is the political greed that is occurring today all in the "name of compassion'... Amazing how anyone can ...demonize the businesses that create the real jobs in this country, the private sector.

I am not arguing from "compassion," but rather from common sense. As for "demonizing" a bussiness like Wal-Mart? That business does not "create real jobs in this country." That business creates "service" jobs, which any 13 year-old with any upper body strength and basic math knowledge can do. That business pays crap wages, and even then makes sure that each worker it hires; temporary, part-time, or full-time, works as few hours as legally possible each week to cut labor costs.

There isn't a person that has to shop at Walmart and there isn't a person that has to work at Walmart. The entitlement society is destroying this country and is being spurred on by the left all with the desire to retain power. Not many people really know the Walmart model and talk out their rear ends not knowing that Walmart creates value for the consumers, gives people a starter job, offers benefits, and promotes from within. Not a bad model for many workers who lack the education and experience yet can actually get a job and work their way into a management position. Today we need the Walmart's of the world and anything else that will build businesses that create jobs and that isn't the Federal Govt.

Sounds more like anyone who honestly believes this crap about Wal-Mart is the one who is talking out of their rectal orifice. Anyone who checks out the real history of Wal-Mart starting when it began it's current business plan knows most of what you've said is B/S. Educate yourself instead of falling for that propaganda line. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jazb24Q2s94

What they refuse to understand is that every single nickel of wealth in our society arose and arises from business profits. They live in the world's wealthiest nation because of business profits. They have their bloated government because of business profits. They even own their homes and cars thanks to business profits.

Until they don't anymore. Most Americans don't own their homes, their mortgage lender does. They are typically trying to pay off 30+ year loans followed by a major balloon payment. Those few elderly who've managed to do this can't seem to live on their pensions so we have "reverse mortgage" plans constantly working to try and get the property back into the hands of investment banks. This country is hardly the wealthiest in any real sense of the term. Oh yes we do have major resources untapped as of yet, and we still have a technological lead in some areas that is fast disappearing. But we also have massive debt that permeates our entire society, government and private citizen alike, buoyed up by fiat currency. That means our nation currently has a mere facade of weath, since most of the real wealth is held by a couple of thousand citizens out of a population of 350 millions. Like the guy who moved to Singapore, those people can always move away and take their wealth with them, eh?

Yet they hate business profits. It is ignorance that borders on stupidity.

Very few people hate business profits. I certainly don't. I only hate "rapacious business profiteering." The kind that advocates whatever it takes to squeeze an extra dime, nickel or quarter in profits regardless of the detrimental effect it may have on their customers, their consumers economy. Essentially, if I don't have a job or some other form of income to draw upon (welfare, pension plan, disability, lottery winnings (LOL)) it does not matter how cheap your goods are I can't buy them. So if you prefer to profit by taking jobs away from the economy, as well as most of the money you earn in profits by investing it outside the nation and paying reduced wages to foreign citizens....yeah I'd say that qualifies as rapacious business practices.

When you claim to be benefiting America as an American corporation, but you are bettig that your profits in the new "global market economy" will offset the eventual destruction of the American economy caused by your business practices, yes I'd say that qualifies as rapacious business practices.

Unless you two belong to that "couple of thousand wealthy" and can move with all your wealth elsewhere when the collapse eventually occurs...you'll be here squatting in the aftermath just like the rest of us. ;)
 
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Captain Adverse;1062156085]I am not arguing from "compassion," but rather from common sense. As for "demonizing" a bussiness like Wal-Mart? That business does not "create real jobs in this country." That business creates "service" jobs, which any 13 year-old with any upper body strength and basic math knowledge can do. That business pays crap wages, and even then makes sure that each worker it hires; temporary, part-time, or full-time, works as few hours as legally possible each week to cut labor costs.

Spoken like someone who reads about Walmart but never competed against Walmart. I competed against Walmart and you are so far off base that it will take a GPS to find your way back. Crap wages? Define it? Any wage isn't crap unless you know all the expenses of those workers that are hired for those Walmart wages. Walmart only pays minimum wage as a starting wage and then promotes from within. If anyone is making minimum wage after 90 days they are overpaid at minimum wage. Walmart will always pay market wages which some people will never understand and in addition I have never seen a Walmart hiring manager hold a gun to the head of a prospective employee to go to work for them.


Sounds more like anyone who honestly believes this crap about Wal-Mart is the one who is talking out of their rectal orifice. Anyone who checks out the real history of Wal-Mart starting when it began it's current business plan knows most of what you've said is B/S. Educate yourself instead of falling for that propaganda line. Walmart: The High Cost Of Low Prices FULL MOVIE - YouTube

Opinions noted, now get the rest of the story? Employees are promoted from within with cashiers actually going into management. Guess you believe that a new employee should start out as manager? Never fell for the propaganda line, competed against Walmart and the propaganda is what you are spewing here.

Until they don't anymore. Most Americans don't own their homes, their mortgage lender does. They are typically trying to pay off 30+ year loans followed by a major balloon payment. Those few elderly who've managed to do this can't seem to live on their pensions so we have "reverse mortgage" plans constantly working to try and get the property back into the hands of investment banks. This country is hardly the wealthiest in any real sense of the term. Oh yes we do have major resources untapped as of yet, and we still have a technological lead in some areas that is fast disappearing. But we also have massive debt that permeates our entire society, government and private citizen alike, buoyed up by fiat currency. That means our nation currently has a mere facade of weath, since most of the real wealth is held by a couple of thousand citizens out of a population of 350 millions. Like the guy who moved to Singapore, those people can always move away and take their wealth with them, eh?

Wow, I only hope that someday I am as smart as you think you are. Your opinions are just that opinions and you have no idea the financial condition of MOST people. Does personal responsibility exist in your world. People who buy a home with an Adjustable rate mortgage should know what they are buying and what the costs. A balloon payment at the end is spelled out at closing and if they cannot make that payment they bought a home they couldn't afford or does that even exist in your world?


Very few people hate business profits. I certainly don't. I only hate "rapacious business profiteering." The kind that advocates whatever it takes to squeeze an extra dime, nickel or quarter in profits regardless of the detrimental effect it may have on their customers, their consumers economy. Essentially, if I don't have a job or some other form of income to draw upon (welfare, pension plan, disability, lottery winnings (LOL)) it does not matter how cheap your goods are I can't buy them. So if you prefer to profit by taking jobs away from the economy, as well as most of the money you earn in profits by investing it outside the nation and paying reduced wages to foreign citizens....yeah I'd say that qualifies as rapacious business practices.

Who forces you to buy from companies that make those so called "rapacious business" profits? If you don't have a job in this market whose fault is that? There are jobs to be had maybe not THE job but you gain experience with each job.

When you claim to be benefiting America as an American corporation, but you are bettig that your profits in the new "global market economy" will offset the eventual destruction of the American economy caused by your business practices, yes I'd say that qualifies as rapacious business practices.

You really don't understand the make up of the American economy and what percentage those evil corporations are of that economy. Stop buying what you read and get the facts. It is the small businesses that are the backbone of the U.S. economy and this Administration nor you seem to understand that

Unless you two belong to that "couple of thousand wealthy" and can move with all your wealth elsewhere when the collapse eventually occurs...you'll be here squatting in the aftermath just like the rest of us. ;)

Sounds like a lot of jealousy to me. You live in a country where you can be the best you can be and based upon what I see you only have yourself to blame for your plight in life. The only thing keeping you down is your attitude and jealousy. Blaming someone else is always easier than going out and earning what someone else has.
 
LOL Nice try. Ignore reality and surround yourself with hired security as you continue to use what you call the "rule of law" to create the very mob mentality you fear so much.

I prefer to diffuse that possibility by advocating businesses engage in sane methods of profit by thinking long-term stable growth rather than short-term rapacious growth. Something like logging firms who replant trees and give them time to regrow so they have future resources to draw upon; rather than the old chop, chop, chop and who cares if we run out of trees as long as we can make a profit now mentality.
Enjoy. I see no point in continuing.
 
...the new jobs helped the unemployment rate to fall to 7.4%.

overall positive for the US economy hopefully this is a sign of recovery worldwide.
Title: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

Yup, except that still leaves it, at the very least, as bad as it was 4 years ago. That's like shooting someone out of a cannon and saying, "Don't worry, you'll fall back down."

Here's a graph of the unemployment rate, from spreadsheet data I got from FRED. U-6 includes underemployment and other factors that create more competition for jobs; I think it's a much better indication of recovery (or not). Although they've both started to fall around 2010, there's been no real change in underemployment (the difference between the two lines). It implies that a large portion of the "recovery" is more like "moving it around on your plate" economics. They're not creating more hours, just splitting the same hours among more workers.

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I'll be impressed when it falls down to 2006 levels.
 
There it goes, the old "blame everyone else but corporate greed for the ills of the current economy" meme.

Of course, none of that was the result of fiat currency and the inherent inflation that goes with it. So inherent that all of members who claim to be economists argue about how "normal" it is and how it should be ignored or accepted. Why should anyone expect more wages when their original pay doesn't cover their basic needs anymore due to devalued currency?

None of that was the result of stockholder greed, demanding massive returns on relatively minimal investments which led to policies of cutting costs by any means necessary to increase profits. An attitude happily supported by coporate officers whose efforts allow them to demand annual salaries 150 or more times greater than any worker they get rid of.

None of that was the result of business practices that turned entire rivers into such polluted messes they frequently caught fire, or areas of land so poisonous people died living on or near them. Practically forcing government interference in environmental regulation.

Of course, it's all the Unions fault for developing out of the horrors of American sweat shops, unsafe mines, and factory nightmares. Where men, women and even children were compelled to work 12 to 15 hour days little better than paid serfs just to make enough to make ends meet.

BTW, all this wealth and power was built on land and resources stolen from the original owners and then "legally" transferred by the magic of "land claims." Of course a land claim was nothing more than "I just killed the prior owners, so this is MINE now." Well, with that as a historical basis, it's hard to argue that someone else can't come along and simply TAKE what was yours if they get strong enough and pissed enough to do so.

Now, you blame a particular political party, and a particular President who happens to currently hold the office instead of recognizing no political party has the moral high ground here? You don't strike me as a man who is himself a "captain of industry" rolling around in wealth you feel needs protecting; you sound more like a drone indoctrinated in the ideals that greed is good and if you only wait long enough and get lucky enough you too will reap the rewards and get to have your kids prance around the world like Paris Hilton.

I am no "leveler." I think every man IS entitled to the fruits of his labor or the wealth gained by his mind. All I am saying is, why cut your own throat by destroying the very economy that allowed you to gain those fruits and that wealth?

Well, that is quite a diatribe for a simple paragraph posing three questions in which instead of answering, you chose to sanctimoniously personally attack me. I may not be a "captain of industry" as you say, but I recognize a run of the mill communist when I read one.
 
…Any wage isn't crap unless you know all the expenses of those workers that are hired for those Walmart wages. Walmart only pays minimum wage as a starting wage and then promotes from within. If anyone is making minimum wage after 90 days they are overpaid at minimum wage. Walmart will always pay market wages which some people will never understand and in addition I have never seen a Walmart hiring manager hold a gun to the head of a prospective employee to go to work for them.

Crap wages exist when the employee qualifies for welfare. Many part-time Wal-Mart employees do. Crap wages exist when an employee has to use Food Stamps. Many full-time Wal-Mart employees do. Crap wages exist when the employee cannot even afford the company insurance plan and has to use Medicaid. Many Wal-Mart employees do. Most tellingly, crap wages exist when Wal-Mart instructs it's own employees on their access to Welfare, Food Stamps, and Medicaid and suggests they use those resources to supplement their incomes.

Wow, I only hope that someday I am as smart as you think you are. Your opinions are just that opinions and you have no idea the financial condition of MOST people. Does personal responsibility exist in your world. People who buy a home with an Adjustable rate mortgage should know what they are buying and what the costs. A balloon payment at the end is spelled out at closing and if they cannot make that payment they bought a home they couldn't afford or does that even exist in your world?

As of 01/13 only 29% of American homeowners were free and clear of mortgage debt. Most of them live in areas of the country with low value housing. That meant having a smaller mortgage paid off sooner. Guess how many people own their home free and clear | Retiring to Arizona Blog

Millions of people have lost their homes and it is projected another 3 million will lose them in the next few years. How Many People Have Lost Their Homes? US Home Foreclosures are Comparable to the Great Depression | Global Research

Who forces you to buy from companies that make those so called "rapacious business" profits? If you don't have a job in this market whose fault is that? There are jobs to be had maybe not THE job but you gain experience with each job.

Well, when you live in those small towns like the movie showed you, then circumstances force you to shop at Wal-Mart, once they put every competitor out of business.

As for job options, what EFFIN market are YOU looking at? Using BLS "statistics," there are currently 3.9 million jobs available in the entire USA. There are still officially 11.5 million Americans seeking jobs (not counting 2.4 million marginally attached unemployed). That means even if every effin job in the USA was filled TODAY, there would still be 7.6 million unemployed.


You really don't understand the make up of the American economy and what percentage those evil corporations are of that economy. Stop buying what you read and get the facts. It is the small businesses that are the backbone of the U.S. economy and this Administration nor you seem to understand that.

I agree that small businesses are the backbone of this nation. What I see is Wal-Mart slowly eating away at that backbone. Sounds like you didn't even look at the film I provided did you? Or if so, you just cut off when you got bored seeing something that disagrees with your personal viewpoint.

If you had you would see facts and figures, not just violins and tears, and you’d realize you were talking out of your rectal orifice. Seems to me the one who doesn’t understand what is happening to that backbone is you.
 
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Well, that is quite a diatribe for a simple paragraph posing three questions in which instead of answering, you chose to sanctimoniously personally attack me. I may not be a "captain of industry" as you say, but I recognize a run of the mill communist when I read one.

I did answer your questions, by pointing out in my reply (forgive me but its true) how stupid they were. They are the typical dumbass questions people pose when they don't take into account what caused that $25 per hour janitor to exist in our country. I explained what led to that mess, and it surely wasn't greedy workers or their unions. Every one of the points I raised was a direct response to that foolish "meme" of blame everyone BUT corporate greed.
 
I did answer your questions, by pointing out in my reply (forgive me but its true) how stupid they were. They are the typical dumbass questions people pose when they don't take into account what caused that $25 per hour janitor to exist in our country. I explained what led to that mess, and it surely wasn't greedy workers or their unions. Every one of the points I raised was a direct response to that foolish "meme" of blame everyone BUT corporate greed.


Sorry, I have little time for pseudo intellectual Marxists.
 
Sorry, I have little time for pseudo intellectual Marxists.

I'm not a "marxist" nor a communist and labeling me one does not win your point. I believe in free enterprise and I don't think business should be forced to do anything. What I am consistently arguing for is that business people exercise more enlightened self-interest. The sort of thing I used to see in America when a person OWNED the factory and had a personal relationship with his employees. Where they were treated like family, and in return they busted ass for their boss. They paid workers enough so they could buy other goods and those other factory workers could earn a living and buy your bosses goods.

Corporations have made it impersonal, a mere numbers game. To satisfy the faceless stockholders who have no more stake in the business than their monetary investment and who therefore only care about maximum return on that investment, business managers act only on that imperative. So close local factories, reopen new ones overseas, outsource jobs, then open American outlet stores and pay $10 per hour but only let "full time" employees work 28 hour weeks...that's your American dream?

Meanwhile your $14.00 shirt was made by a Bangladeshi employee who earned $0.18 an hour for a 12 - 15 hour workday and lives in squalor on starvation rations. That's what you want American workers to return to? Hell, if $0.18 cents had the same value here as it did back when you could buy a good horse for $20, I might be willing to work for that wage too. Sheesh.
 
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Adverse;1062158974]Crap wages exist when the employee qualifies for welfare. Many part-time Wal-Mart employees do. Crap wages exist when an employee has to use Food Stamps. Many full-time Wal-Mart employees do. Crap wages exist when the employee cannot even afford the company insurance plan and has to use Medicaid. Many Wal-Mart employees do. Most tellingly, crap wages exist when Wal-Mart instructs it's own employees on their access to Welfare, Food Stamps, and Medicaid and suggests they use those resources to supplement their incomes.
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Thank you, Comrade, do you have a solution? Please cite your sources when you say many Walmart employees qualify for welfare and who are those employees? How long do they qualify and what exactly is the wage structure for Walmart? You make some wild claims yet offer no proof other than opinion pieces of others. Find out exactly what Walmart employees make from the Walmart site and you will find out exactly who makes what and for what period of time.

Have you ever been to a Walmart store during their interviewing process to staff the store. Did you notice all the armed guards outside the store forcing those people to apply? Where does personal responsibility rest in your world?


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I know this is hard for you to understand but not all people in this country even have a mortgage and many bought homes they couldn't afford. A home is an asset, an investment. Mortgage rates remain at record lows thus there is no better investment in a home that you can afford. As a Libertarian do you believe it is the taxpayer's responsibility to provide you with a home for where to you think the govt. gets its money?

Not sure what your point is but sounds to me like you are promoting govt. forced wages, benefits, and housing. You claim you aren't a Marxist?



Well, when you live in those small towns like the movie showed you, then circumstances force you to shop at Wal-Mart, once they put every competitor out of business.

And as a shopper that bothers you? Walmart isn't in every town and where they are they raise the standard of living because small businesses cannot pay the wages and benefits that Walmart can. I competed against Walmart and understand them much better than the articles you are quoting and the rhetoric you are buying.

As for job options, what EFFIN market are YOU looking at? Using BLS "statistics," there are currently 3.9 million jobs available in the entire USA . There are still officially 11.5 million Americans seeking jobs (not counting 2.4 million marginally attached unemployed). That means even if every effin job in the USA was filled TODAY, there would still be 7.6 million unemployed.

Open the want ads in your community and tell me there aren't pages of job openings? When you have a President that is demonizing the private sector and promoting massive govt. dependence there is no incentive for the private sector to grow and create jobs. Regulations that prevent offshore drilling, the Keystone pipeline, refinery construction. plants from moving into communities because they are non union, high state and local taxes all prevent growth

I agree that small businesses are the backbone of this nation. What I see is Wal-Mart slowly eating away at that backbone. Sounds like you didn't even look at the film I provided did you? Or if so, you just cut off when you got bored seeing something that disagrees with your personal viewpoint.

Walmart is one company that employees hundreds of thousands in a nation of 312 million. I have seen a lot of anti Walmart films and none of them really address reality and refute my 35 years of business experience.

If you had you would see facts and figures, not just violins and tears, and you’d realize you were talking out of your rectal orifice. Seems to me the one who doesn’t understand what is happening to that backbone is you.

Book smart street stupid facts don't refute real life experience and reality.
 
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Thank you, Comrade, do you have a solution? Please cite your sources when you say many Walmart employees qualify for welfare and who are those employees? How long do they qualify and what exactly is the wage structure for Walmart? You make some wild claims yet offer no proof other than opinion pieces of others. Find out exactly what Walmart employees make from the Walmart site and you will find out exactly who makes what and for what period of time.

Have you ever been to a Walmart store during their interviewing process to staff the store. Did you notice all the armed guards outside the store forcing those people to apply? Where does personal responsibility rest in your world?




I know this is hard for you to understand but not all people in this country even have a mortgage and many bought homes they couldn't afford. A home is an asset, an investment. Mortgage rates remain at record lows thus there is no better investment in a home that you can afford. As a Libertarian do you believe it is the taxpayer's responsibility to provide you with a home for where to you think the govt. gets its money?

Not sure what your point is but sounds to me like you are promoting govt. forced wages, benefits, and housing. You claim you aren't a Marxist?





And as a shopper that bothers you? Walmart isn't in every town and where they are they raise the standard of living because small businesses cannot pay the wages and benefits that Walmart can. I competed against Walmart and understand them much better than the articles you are quoting and the rhetoric you are buying.



Open the want ads in your community and tell me there aren't pages of job openings? When you have a President that is demonizing the private sector and promoting massive govt. dependence there is no incentive for the private sector to grow and create jobs. Regulations that prevent offshore drilling, the Keystone pipeline, refinery construction. plants from moving into communities because they are non union, high state and local taxes all prevent growth



Walmart is one company that employees hundreds of thousands in a nation of 312 million. I have seen a lot of anti Walmart films and none of them really address reality and refute my 35 years of business experience.



Book smart street stupid facts don't refute real life experience and reality.

<After analyzing data released by Wisconsin’s Medicaid program, the Democratic staff of the U.S. House Committee on Education and the Workforce estimates that a single 300- person Wal-Mart Supercenter store in Wisconsin likely costs taxpayers at least $904,542 per year and could cost taxpayers up to $1,744,590 per year – about $5,815 per employee.>

WOW! Wisconsin taxpayer’s are ponying up $904,542 per year for one Wal-Mart store. Kinda makes you wonder how much the tax payer is coughing up across the country eh con?:shock:


http://democrats.edworkforce.house....gov/files/documents/WalMartReport-May2013.pdf
 
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