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    Re: US Closing Embassies in Mideast for a Day amid Possible Qaeda Threat.....

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    And no, it's not really all the better.
    The nuclear situation. Or did you think it was a coincidence that I names them with the countries I did, in response to your statement about North Korea's nuclear capability. What did you think we were talking about? Or did you not even know that South Africa was a nuclear nation at one point?

    And here you are talking about crime and poverty. Are you starting to see why I think talking to you is a waste of time?
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    Re: US Closing Embassies in Mideast for a Day amid Possible Qaeda Threat.....

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Lol...uh....no.
    .....Get back to me after ya check out Brzezinski and Lil Timmy.


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    Re: US Closing Embassies in Mideast for a Day amid Possible Qaeda Threat.....

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    The nuclear situation. Or did you think it was a coincidence that I names them with the countries I did, in response to your statement about North Korea's nuclear capability. What did you think we were talking about? Or did you not even know that South Africa was a nuclear nation at one point?

    And here you are talking about crime and poverty. Are you starting to see why I think talking to you is a waste of time?
    I think that it's all you can do to avoid having to talk to the points.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: US Closing Embassies in Mideast for a Day amid Possible Qaeda Threat.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Ah I see No knowledge of what the Democrat Brzezinski himself has admitted to and on MSNBC as well as on NBC.

    Was Osama Bin Laden a CIA operative code named, "Tim Osman"?

    Osama Bin Laden was a contract operative of the CIA and was recruited long before 9/11.

    Osama Bin Laden traveled to the United States and toured military bases and the White House. He used a CIA code-name, “Tim Osman”, and was looking for help against the Soviets.
    http://www.orlingrabbe.com/binladin_timo…

    Osama Bin Laden was officially recruited into the CIA in 1979. His activities were backed by the CIA, which, like him, had an account at BCCI Bank.
    FAIR: Fairness & Accuracy In Reporting

    Bin Laden’s group of Afghans received backing from the CIA.
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/BR…
    http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Afghan…

    Bin Laden’s CIA ties became well-known in April 1998, when MSNBC exposed his connections to the Agency.
    Bin Laden comes home to roost | NBC News

    The Papist-controlled US Government has claimed that it broke it’s ties with Bin Laden long before 9/11. However, an FBI insider said that Bin Laden was employed by the CIA until the very day of 9/11.
    The BRAD BLOG : Ryland: A Sibel Edmonds 'Bombshell' - Bin Laden Worked for U.S. Until 9/11

    There is some evidence to support her story. In July 2001 (Two months before 9/11), French media reported that a local CIA chief met with Osama Bin Laden at an American hospital in Dubai.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/nov…

    There is absolutely no doubt that Osama Bin Laden and his associates are CIA. Thus, they are subservient to the Papist Crime Network. The CIA is a front operation for the Jesuits/Vatican.

    Was Osama Bin Laden a CIA operative code named, "Tim Osman"? - Yahoo! Answers

    "Uhm" .....like as in. So much for Conspiracy Theories. See the one thing they could never get round.....was the pictures of him here touring in the US and on US Army Bases.
    None of that is true.

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    Re: US Closing Embassies in Mideast for a Day amid Possible Qaeda Threat.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Perhaps they do, but our interventionism fuels anger and hatred against the West, and that plays right into the propaganda and recruitment of terrorist organizations.

    No, it's not the interventionism, it is our culture. The recruitment of terrorists is done on the image of the West as a free, open, tolerant society that is anathema to Radical Islamic doctrine and a threat to Islamic expansion.

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    Re: US Closing Embassies in Mideast for a Day amid Possible Qaeda Threat.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    None of that is true.
    Sure it is Sherman.....its even in Bin laden Bio and they have records of him with the CIA. It was known as Operation Cyclone.

    From Hero to Exile

    But Osama would have little chance to use his degree. When the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan in 1979, Osama joined the Afghan resistance, believing it was his duty as a Muslim to fight the occupation. He relocated to Peshawar, Afghanistan, and using aid from the United States under the CIA program Operation Cyclone, he began training a mujahideen, a group of Islamic jihadists. After the Soviets withdrew from the country in 1989, Osama returned to Saudi Arabia as a hero, and the United States referred to him and his soldiers as "Freedom Fighters."

    Yet Osama was quickly disappointed with what he believed was a corrupt Saudi government, and his frustration with the U.S. occupation of Saudi Arabia during the Persian Gulf War led to a growing rift between Osama and his country's leaders. Bin Laden spoke publicly against the Saudi government's reliance on American troops, believing their presence profaned sacred soil. After several attempts to silence Osama, the Saudis banished the former hero. He lived in exile in Sudan beginning in 1992.

    Osama bin Laden Biography - Facts, Birthday, Life Story - Biography.com






    When Osama Bin Ladin
    Was 'Tim Osman'
    Michael Riconosciuto & Ted Gunderson's 1986 Meeting with
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    Michael Riconosciuto and Tim Osman (Osama bin Laden)

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    Re: US Closing Embassies in Mideast for a Day amid Possible Qaeda Threat.....

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    No, it's not the interventionism, it is our culture. The recruitment of terrorists is done on the image of the West as a free, open, tolerant society that is anathema to Radical Islamic doctrine and a threat to Islamic expansion.
    No, I don't think that it's a cultural thing, I think it's a "we've been bombing and messing with the are for over 60 years" sort of thing. If people were up in our business, bombing our cities, deploying troops, making us do what they want for decades on end, we'd be pretty pissed too. So much so that if we were unable to solve this diplomatically, we would start engaging in terrorism.

    Maybe some don't like us for our culture, but the level of success terrorists have had at waging their war and recruiting is heavily influenced by our own interventionism in the region.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
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    Re: US Closing Embassies in Mideast for a Day amid Possible Qaeda Threat.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Sure it is Sherman.....its even in Bin laden Bio and they have records of him with the CIA. It was known as Operation Cyclone.

    From Hero to Exile

    But Osama would have little chance to use his degree. When the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan in 1979, Osama joined the Afghan resistance, believing it was his duty as a Muslim to fight the occupation. He relocated to Peshawar, Afghanistan, and using aid from the United States under the CIA program Operation Cyclone, he began training a mujahideen, a group of Islamic jihadists. After the Soviets withdrew from the country in 1989, Osama returned to Saudi Arabia as a hero, and the United States referred to him and his soldiers as "Freedom Fighters."

    Yet Osama was quickly disappointed with what he believed was a corrupt Saudi government, and his frustration with the U.S. occupation of Saudi Arabia during the Persian Gulf War led to a growing rift between Osama and his country's leaders. Bin Laden spoke publicly against the Saudi government's reliance on American troops, believing their presence profaned sacred soil. After several attempts to silence Osama, the Saudis banished the former hero. He lived in exile in Sudan beginning in 1992.

    Osama bin Laden Biography - Facts, Birthday, Life Story - Biography.com






    When Osama Bin Ladin
    Was 'Tim Osman'
    Michael Riconosciuto & Ted Gunderson's 1986 Meeting with
    'Tim Osman' (Osama bin Laden)

    Michael Riconosciuto and Tim Osman (Osama bin Laden)
    Bin Laden never received any US military assistance or intelligence support and he never met with any of our officers or political representatives. This is a fiction.

    The US gave financial assistance to Afghan anti-Soviet militants via ISI and occasionally through independent routes which was a condition of the compact with Pakistan which took on considerable risk by allowing their Soviet occupying neighbors to be attacked by militants trained in their territory. That funding was then used to purchase weapons, munitions, medical equipment, food, trucks, etc which was funneled to a variety of groups some representing the Afghan government in exile, some went to Hekmatyer, the Islamic Dawah Group (which is now a political party), etc. The umbrella group which received the lions share of support was called the Islamic Unity of Afghanistan Mujahadeen and consisted of a variety of Islamist, Traditionalist, and Nationalist groups many of whom have reemerged as political parties in Afghanistan today, others yes have become part of the network of opposition forces such as Hekmatyer's forces.

    However the US never had more than a half dozen field agents in Afghanistan and NW Pakistan, it kept its touch to a minimum, and funding channels were rarely chosen by the US. Nor did any direct support ever go to al-Qaeda or the Taliban, the former mostly fought on funds raised from their own charitable groups. Which was true of most Arab groups that went to Pakistan and Afghanistan.

    To reiterate, the US did not fund or support the Taliban or al-Qaeda, and to be specific it is unlikely that any US funding ended up in the hands of al-Qaeda since like most small Arab groups they did not receive heavy patronage from Pakistan's ISI or from Rabbani's Afghan group, and instead supported themselves with Arab donations and familial largesse. As for the Taliban it is important to note that it was a new group, it drew from rank and file fighters from many disparate organizations but began as a small group, and came into contact and conflict with many of the existing groups in Afghanistan.

    We barely knew who Bin Laden was, he was just one more Arab dilettante who left his family to take advantage of his fortune to set up shop in the country.

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    Re: US Closing Embassies in Mideast for a Day amid Possible Qaeda Threat.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No, I don't think that it's a cultural thing, I think it's a "we've been bombing and messing with the are for over 60 years" sort of thing. If people were up in our business, bombing our cities, deploying troops, making us do what they want for decades on end, we'd be pretty pissed too. So much so that if we were unable to solve this diplomatically, we would start engaging in terrorism.

    Maybe some don't like us for our culture, but the level of success terrorists have had at waging their war and recruiting is heavily influenced by our own interventionism in the region.
    We've been much more heavily involved in Asia, Latin America, and Africa than we ever were in the Middle East. Yet the reaction is completely different. I think it is hard to make the case that this is merely a reaction to our foreign policy. Moreover even if it is a reaction to our foreign policy it is not necessarily an indictment of our actions. Their reaction is not the standard by which such policies are evaluated.

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    Re: US Closing Embassies in Mideast for a Day amid Possible Qaeda Threat.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Bin Laden never received any US military assistance or intelligence support and he never met with any of our officers or political representatives. This is a fiction.

    The US gave financial assistance to Afghan anti-Soviet militants via ISI and occasionally through independent routes which was a condition of the compact with Pakistan which took on considerable risk by allowing their Soviet occupying neighbors to be attacked by militants trained in their territory. That funding was then used to purchase weapons, munitions, medical equipment, food, trucks, etc which was funneled to a variety of groups some representing the Afghan government in exile, some went to Hekmatyer, the Islamic Dawah Group (which is now a political party), etc. The umbrella group which received the lions share of support was called the Islamic Unity of Afghanistan Mujahadeen and consisted of a variety of Islamist, Traditionalist, and Nationalist groups many of whom have reemerged as political parties in Afghanistan today, others yes have become part of the network of opposition forces such as Hekmatyer's forces.

    However the US never had more than a half dozen field agents in Afghanistan and NW Pakistan, it kept its touch to a minimum, and funding channels were rarely chosen by the US. Nor did any direct support ever go to al-Qaeda or the Taliban, the former mostly fought on funds raised from their own charitable groups. Which was true of most Arab groups that went to Pakistan and Afghanistan.

    To reiterate, the US did not fund or support the Taliban or al-Qaeda, and to be specific it is unlikely that any US funding ended up in the hands of al-Qaeda since like most small Arab groups they did not receive heavy patronage from Pakistan's ISI or from Rabbani's Afghan group, and instead supported themselves with Arab donations and familial largesse. As for the Taliban it is important to note that it was a new group, it drew from rank and file fighters from many disparate organizations but began as a small group, and came into contact and conflict with many of the existing groups in Afghanistan.

    We barely knew who Bin Laden was, he was just one more Arab dilettante who left his family to take advantage of his fortune to set up shop in the country.
    What Intel doesn't haven't the information Sherman? What Military? You can look it up from the Russians Side of the story too. Even Bin Ladens own family acknowledges it. Saudia Arabia Acknowledges it and most of all. Brzezinski himself admits to it.....and says he would do it all over again. The CIA doesn't admit or deny any of it. Especially after NBC and MSNBC and those liberals and progressives busted it out.

    Especially when going after both Bush one and Bush two over the Neo-Cons and any dealings with him or AQ. Course one can look thru the MB and any documentation they are holding as well.

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