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    Re: US Closing Embassies in Mideast for a Day amid Possible Qaeda Threat.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yeah.....I know. As I didn't see to many knocking him over this. But now we have an issued a Global Travel Warning Until the End of August. It was fast and this Warning is now put up one day after they said they would close these Embassies. Plus they are now saying they think it is AQ based out of Yemen that they received the chatter off of. That they are the Most dangerous of all of AQ today. So they are warning Americans this is significant. According to General Dempsey this time they are saying Western Interests and not just American. Yet I have seen no warning put out by any other Western Countries.

    Global travel warning: US cites al-Qaida threat.....



    The United States issued an extraordinary global travel warning to Americans Friday about the threat of an al-Qaida attack and closed down 21 embassies and consulates across the Muslim world for the weekend.

    The alert was the first of its kind since an announcement preceding the tenth anniversary of the 9/11 terrorist attacks. This one comes with the scars still fresh from last year's deadly Sept. 11 attack on a U.S. diplomatic post in Benghazi, Libya, and with the Obama administration and Congress determined to prevent any similar breach of an American Embassy or consulate.

    "There is a significant threat stream and we're reacting to it," said Gen. Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. He told ABC News in an interview to be aired Sunday that the threat was "more specific" than previous ones and the "intent is to attack Western, not just U.S. interests."

    The State Department warning urged American travelers to take extra precautions overseas, citing potential dangers involved with public transportation systems and other prime sites for tourists and noting that previous terrorist attacks have centered on subway and rail networks as well as airplanes and boats. It suggested travelers sign up for State Department alerts and register with U.S. consulates in the countries they visit.

    The statement said that al-Qaida or its allies might target either U.S. government or private American interests. The alert expires on Aug. 31.

    The State Department said the potential for terrorism was particularly acute in the Middle East and North Africa, with a possible attack occurring on or coming from the Arabian Peninsula.....snip~

    Global travel warning: US cites al-Qaida threat

    Check that.....Britain is closing its Embassy in Yemen. Sunday and Monday.
    Good morning, MMC.

    How can you have an expiration date on an alert? Al-Quida is suddenly not going to hate us anymore? How likely is it that they will just wait until the alert expires, since it's iapparently no problem for them. That takes us into September, though, when bad things seem to happen around September 11. I don't understand this at all!
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    Re: US Closing Embassies in Mideast for a Day amid Possible Qaeda Threat.....

    I have not taken time to read this whole thread but has anyone given thought to the idea that it would be a good idea to get out of middle east embassies just before Israel strikes irans nuke facilities?

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    Re: US Closing Embassies in Mideast for a Day amid Possible Qaeda Threat.....

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Good morning, MMC.

    How can you have an expiration date on an alert? Al-Quida is suddenly not going to hate us anymore? How likely is it that they will just wait until the alert expires, since it's iapparently no problem for them. That takes us into September, though, when bad things seem to happen around September 11. I don't understand this at all!
    Hiya Polgara. I was thinking along those same lines as you.....are.

    Sometimes one's enemy wants to test the waters. See how they react. They let their enemy hear and see them. Learn from their reactions. Have us looking one way. Preparing for what we were allowed to hear.

    Which the Travel Ban should be extended past Sept 11th for sure anyways.

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    Re: US Closing Embassies in Mideast for a Day amid Possible Qaeda Threat.....

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    Fair enough, after looking more deeply into each attack you are correct on most. The 2006 killing in Karachi did in fact involve an ambassador and his driver though. Making it essentially the same thing as Benghazi.
    I could be wrong, but it was widely reported that Ambassador Stevens was the first US Ambassador to be killed in the line of duty since the Jimmy Carter administration - are you sure about the Karachi reference you make - could it have been an American embassy staffer, not an Ambassador? I'd like to see that source, because if true I'd like to know my reliance on the other information was wrong.
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    Re: US Closing Embassies in Mideast for a Day amid Possible Qaeda Threat.....

    Quote Originally Posted by iWRECKnSOW View Post
    I have not taken time to read this whole thread but has anyone given thought to the idea that it would be a good idea to get out of middle east embassies just before Israel strikes irans nuke facilities?
    That's an interesting observation that has the potential of being plausible - the basis for any conspiracy theory.
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    Re: US Closing Embassies in Mideast for a Day amid Possible Qaeda Threat.....

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I could be wrong, but it was widely reported that Ambassador Stevens was the first US Ambassador to be killed in the line of duty since the Jimmy Carter administration - are you sure about the Karachi reference you make - could it have been an American embassy staffer, not an Ambassador? I'd like to see that source, because if true I'd like to know my reliance on the other information was wrong.
    Was not an ambassador but a foreign service worker. Also the attack was a suicide bomber not a prolonged attack by a terrorist group.

    Seems like folks are trying the same tactic used with the IRS issue. Say the same thing happened to the other side, when no true correlation exists.

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    Re: US Closing Embassies in Mideast for a Day amid Possible Qaeda Threat.....

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I could be wrong, but it was widely reported that Ambassador Stevens was the first US Ambassador to be killed in the line of duty since the Jimmy Carter administration - are you sure about the Karachi reference you make - could it have been an American embassy staffer, not an Ambassador? I'd like to see that source, because if true I'd like to know my reliance on the other information was wrong.
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    Re: US Closing Embassies in Mideast for a Day amid Possible Qaeda Threat.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    This Sunday is Obama's Birthday.....The US is being Threatened that our Embassies in the ME, will be hit. This is all we are being told at this time. Other than it may go beyond this Sunday. Thoughts upon the matter?



    The United States is closing all of its embassies Sunday in the Middle East and parts of Asia because of a possible al-Qaeda-related threat to diplomatic posts worldwide, American officials told NBC News on Thursday.

    The U.S. has been "apprised of information that out of an abundance of caution and care for our employees and others who may be visiting our installations, that indicates we should institute these precautionary steps," said State Department spokeswoman Marie Harf.

    A senior State Department official told NBC News that all embassies that are usually open in Sundays — primarily those in Muslim countries and Israel — would be closed Aug. 4 "out of an abundance of caution." Sunday is a normal workday in those countries.

    Sunday is President Barack Obama's 52nd birthday, and it's also the day Iran inaugurates Hassan Rowhani as its new president. But U.S. officials told NBC News they had heard nothing to indicate that the date was chosen for either of those reasons.....snip~

    US closing embassies in Mideast for a day amid possible Qaeda threat
    God forbid anything to happen on King Hussein's birthday.

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    Re: US Closing Embassies in Mideast for a Day amid Possible Qaeda Threat.....

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    My apologies, it says diplomat. I guess I jumped to conclusions
    That's fair enough and no apologies necessary. I think your chart proves that the US was then and remains now unpopular with a lot of people in the Middle East who hate freedom and the primary symbol of freedom.

    What it also proves is that in all of those other situations, the system worked. The host nation provided protection to the embassies/consulates and their own nationals died protecting Americans. In Benghazi, that buffer didn't exist and whether it was negligence on the part of the State Department or over-confidence on the part of Ambassador Stevens, it proves that those buffers are absolutely necessary and their importance shouldn't be minimized.

    What happened during and immediately after the attack is subject to politics but hopefully all sides agree that no Ambassador and no embassy staff should be left so vulnerable in such a volatile part of the world ever again.
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    Re: US Closing Embassies in Mideast for a Day amid Possible Qaeda Threat.....

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    So define legal CIA activities, seems the very heart of the CIA operations is stuff we don't want to be held accountable for. Authorized, unauthorized, plausible deniability... part and parcel of covert ops.

    You attended the briefings given the SoS? How is Iran/Contra not valid? The CIA and National security team ran guns, men, cash and supposedly drugs through the countries bordering Nicaragua and the Ambassadors didn't know? if the State coordinates all foreign policy then State had to know something, your logic is flawed.

    More like the Ambassador knew a CIA OP was going on but the details were not divulged. Diplomats have to at least maintain an appearance of clean hands in the foreign relations community. Just as every embassy has a 'cultural attache' or 'communications consultant' with diplomatic immunity the State dept is an umbrella for CIA ops, but the diplomats are not privy to what all the CIA does on station.

    I'm sure Hillary knew Benghazi was a CIA op, that is why she was very careful in how she answered a few questions about weapons, Syria, Turkey- but I don't think she knew any details nor was privy to any specific threats toward the CIA op center.

    One detail I have wondered about- IF the State dept was actually running the weapons clean-up then who was the Head Fred, the man/woman in-charge on the ground?
    What Department of State official was running Benghazi?

    So bottomline who controls what, who is responsible for what-

    State runs the above board foreign relations, the CIA the under the table stuff.

    Hillary knows of most major operations the CIA conducts but not day to day activities, CIA in house threat evaluations concerning those ops, nor what measures are in place in case of a major incident. Benghazi was CIA from start to finish- they dropped their own hot potato, the Ambassador wandered into something he should have stayed out of.

    State supports the CIA station Chiefs but does not coordinate nor in any way dictate the CIA operations.

    I liken it to a hotel owner renting a room to a whore. Yes the owner knows she is a whore but as long as she doesn't parade around naked infront of the hotel he looks the other way and keeps clean sheets on the bed. but the owner doesn't stand outside the door incase a trick decides to give the whore a good beat down instead of money. The owner doesn't keep a few thugs on hand to rush to the whore's aid if she is getting a beat down. That is on the whore.

    But I'll bet your 30 some years you claim in experience that NO SoS every knew ALL CIA OPS, and we will exclude the found out ones that were patently illegal from drugs out of SE Asia, Columbia, Iran/Contra, but as our dear friends on the radical right will quickly say- IF the CIA was running weapons to Syria they would call that illegal as well.

    So using some 'patently illegal' label regarding CIA OPs leaves me thinking your 30 some years didn't get too close to the nitty gritty as we say....
    I will not parade my resume other than to point out that in those 34 years 18 were in the foreign field in eight different foreign tours of duty, during four of which I served as Chief of Station. Your recitation is wrong in just about its entirety. The Ambassador, as Chief of Mission, is always briefed on all activities conducted by all agencies in the country to which he/she is accredited. The SoS is likewise briefed on all activities world wide. The House and Senate oversight committees are likewise briefed, and that's where Iran-Contra went wrong. Congress had explicitly forbidden aid to the Contras.
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