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US Closing Embassies in Mideast for a Day amid Possible Qaeda Threat.....

You never addressed the point. You posted a graph that had nothing to do with what you were claiming it had something to do with. I don't care how far you go back, but our interventionism in the ME which really took off near the end of/after WW II. It was in 1944 that the UK and US split up the ME for oil concerns. We've been meddling ever since.

Okay, great answer. Very mature.

So next, this exchange:

We're much safer than the 1960s, of course. We're not under the threat of nuclear war. Terrorism is about the democratization of violence, via technology, and that has very little to do with American policy. What American policy could've completely avoided twitter?

Are we? We no longer have the Soviet Union it's true. But we're worried about North Korea having weapons, Iran going nuclear, Russia not being able to account for all its nukes, etc.

And? We were worried about North Korea before that. Pakistan before that. India before that. South Africa before that. Israel before that. These things have nothing to do with American policy.

Not quite to this extent. Pakistan we still worry about, didn't really improve that. South Africa isn't really any better. We still involve ourselves with Israel. Interventionism has fueled a lot of the conflicts.

South Africa isn't any better? Why are you talking about things you know nothing about? This is on par with the 'US trained OBL' escapade.

It's one of the most crime ridden countries on the planet. The Western world just doesn't really care much about Africa anymore. It's not that it's gotten better. Africa in general is rather messed up and we don't really pay much mind.

(We stopped talking about it there, as the issues you were having with facts were piling up at an alarming rate, making it clear that there wouldn't be a rewarding discussion with you.

Why did you talk about how South Africa "isn't really any better" when we're clearly talking about nuclear proliferation? Why would you do that? Did you

#1- not know that South Africa used to have nuclear weapons, and that obviously now the nuclear situation there is better?
#2- want to move the goalposts just to try to 'win' a discussion?
#3- other

Neither #1 nor #2 reflect very positively upon you, I must say, so I hope there's a third option there. Then, as the problems mounted up (the four I specified), I stopped having a debate with you.

EDIT: For the sake of completeness, I added the further exchanges.
 
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And yet none of that indicates that bin Laden worked for the CIA. It indicates that bin Laden would sometimes fight alongside Afghans, and that the CIA gave the ISI money, and that the ISI gave the Afghans money. bin Laden didn't need ISI money. So, like I told you pages ago: YOUR LINK DOESN'T SAY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IT DOES



Very much so.



Did you just link me Yahoo! Answers? LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

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Plus a Bio based on Truth. I am sure you can look up NBC directly. Same with MSNBC. :2razz:
 
No, I don't think that it's a cultural thing, I think it's a "we've been bombing and messing with the are for over 60 years" sort of thing. If people were up in our business, bombing our cities, deploying troops, making us do what they want for decades on end, we'd be pretty pissed too. So much so that if we were unable to solve this diplomatically, we would start engaging in terrorism.

Maybe some don't like us for our culture, but the level of success terrorists have had at waging their war and recruiting is heavily influenced by our own interventionism in the region.


No, if "bombing and messing around" was the primary recruiting tool then the primary messaging tool wouldn't be bombing. Why they fight is not that we are there, it is what we represent to them and their culture.
 
Why did you talk about how South Africa "isn't really any better" when we're clearly talking about nuclear proliferation? Why would you do that? Did you

#1- not know that South Africa used to have nuclear weapons, and that obviously now the nuclear situation there is better?
#2- want to move the goalposts just to try to 'win' a discussion?
#3- other

Neither #1 nor #2 reflect very positively upon you, I must say, so I hope there's a third option there.

Since overall our meddling there (the West in general) hasn't produced anything very substantial in gains there.

But let's state it a different way. SA was one of the few (maybe only?) countries to voluntarily give up their nuclear weapons, and it didn't come at the end of military interventionism. It was accomplished through diplomacy and treaty.
 
No, if "bombing and messing around" was the primary recruiting tool then the primary messaging tool wouldn't be bombing. Why they fight is not that we are there, it is what we represent to them and their culture.

I think for the radical fringe that may be true. But because of our military intervention, we play into the generalized hate of the West and that hate is used as propaganda for the terrorist organizations to recruit and function more effectively than they would have been able to otherwise.
 
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Plus a Bio based on Truth. I am sure you can look up NBC directly. Same with MSNBC. :2razz:

Your own links don't say what you think they say, and you don't even care. Wow.
 
Since overall our meddling there (the West in general) hasn't produced anything very substantial in gains there.

But let's state it a different way. SA was one of the few (maybe only?) countries to voluntarily give up their nuclear weapons, and it didn't come at the end of military interventionism. It was accomplished through diplomacy and treaty.

So, #1, #2, or #3 (other)? I'm not having a discussion with you until we get over these TREMENDOUS FLAWS in both your argumentation and your argument itself. You can't lie and have facts blatantly wrong, let them go completely unaddressed, and expect people to have conversations with you. Why would I start in having one with you when these issues are still on the table?

You blatantly lied about what I presented the graph for. You had some issue with the South Africa discussion (not sure what, yet). You are very unclear about OBL's involvement in Afghanistan in the 1980s and how it dovetails with CIA operations. God knows what else you'll make up, lie about, or just don't know about, so until we address these issues, there's nothing other than them to talk about it. Do you understand?
 
So, #1, #2, or #3 (other)? I'm not having a discussion with you until we get over these TREMENDOUS FLAWS in both your argumentation and your argument itself. You can't lie and have facts blatantly wrong, let them go completely unaddressed, and expect people to have conversations with you. Why would I start in having one with you when these issues are still on the table?

You blatantly lied about what I presented the graph for. You had some issue with the South Africa discussion (not sure what, yet). You are very unclear about OBL's involvement in Afghanistan in the 1980s and how it dovetails with CIA operations. God knows what else you'll make up, lie about, or just don't know about, so until we address these issues, there's nothing other than them to talk about it. Do you understand?

I clarified the argument. You can either accept it and address the points, or continue with petty insult. Your graph did not say what you thought it said and had nothing to do with what I claimed. So you can edit the argument and perchance discuss the actual points if you wish to engage in actual debate.
 
I clarified the argument. You can either accept it and address the points, or continue with petty insult. Your graph did not say what you thought it said and had nothing to do with what I claimed. So you can edit the argument and perchance discuss the actual points if you wish to engage in actual debate.

Very mature.

No serious discussion for you.
 
Very mature.

No serious discussion for you.

Meh, you're free to run off if you want. You just want to make straw man arguments and insult, so you can't even accept a clarification of the argument. That's fine, your choice. Many fine people have run away when unable to address actual points.
 
784. New distract event – Al Qaida terror attack (8/14/2013)

In “779. Big events in 2013 is a big plot (7/10/2013)” I said the Feds had a big plot – from February to June, they activated attempt war on Iran; Korea Peninsula nuclear war panic; China bird flu epidemic; domestic terror attack (Boston bombing). However, they couldn’t keep these big operations too long. The payment to keep the big actors – China and N. Korea- is huge. The following news indicates that N. Korea was still in performance in late May. (N. Korea had nuke test in February 2013)

North Korea missile launches: Pyongyang toying with foes?

By Peter Grier | Christian Science Monitor 5/20/2013

That's one explanation for Day 3 of provocation from North Korea, which again fired short-range missiles or rockets into the ocean. So far, the medium-range North Korea missiles that caused a flap in April are nowhere to be seen.

http://news.yahoo.com/north-korea-missile-launches-pyongyang-toying-foes-161654359.html

The big operation may end in June which signaled by the June meeting of Obama and Xi (Chinese President) in California and the Snowden case thereafter.

Anyhow the core mission – elimination of Kat Sung failed to go through. It’s still two months away from September – when FBI Chief Robert Mueller will step down. With a busy preparation, the Feds is having a new plan

U.S. issues global travel alert over al-Qaeda threat

Embassies to close in Muslim world this Sunday

The Associated Press Aug 2, 2013

"Current information suggests that al-Qaeda and affiliated organizations continue to plan terrorist attacks both in the region and beyond, and that they may focus efforts to conduct attacks in the period between now and the end of August," the statement said.

U.S. issues global travel alert over al-Qaeda threat - Politics - CBC News

Unexplained, conflicting US global terror warnings now extend to American homeland

It’s funny to have the sentence of “in the period between now and the end of August”. Does it mean anything for any particular Al Qaida mission? It just fits well to Robert Mueller’s Kat Sung murder plan before his retirement.

785. Manipulating Al Qaida (8/18/2013)

The preparation for August US embassies closing – it indicated a coming big terror attack. They organized big prison breakings.

Interpol issues alert on mass prison breaks in Pakistan, Iraq and Libya

August 03, 2013

Interpol issued a global security alert to 9 nations Saturday after a series of prison breaks in Iraq, Libya and Pakistan, which the agency says may be linked, and in some cases were organized by al Qaeda.

Interpol issues alert on mass prison breaks in Pakistan, Iraq and Libya ? RT News

Prison break: Taliban gunmen free 300 inmates from Pakistan jail
Published time: July 30, 2013

Benghazi jailbreak: Over 1,100 prisoners escape in Libya amid protests
Published time: July 27, 2013

Over 500 ‘Al-Qaeda militants’ escape Iraq’s Abu Ghraib in violent break-out
Published time: July 22, 2013


This is a rare show of the Feds work.
1. The prison breaking was unprecedented big. 300, 1100, 500 prisoners escaped. Can you imagine it?
2. All breakings seemed to be successful, no casualty heard. This meant the cases were carried out with the co-operation of the authority.
3. Little news about detail. Government doesn’t want you know too much. This was a let-go-free operation.
4. All these countries are under US control. They are either “Anti-terror ally” or “liberated” country by US army or its allies.
5. They were masterminded by one planner. That’s obvious. The planner has the ability to control the government of these three countries and also can manipulate the Al Qaida.
All prison breakings were done in later July 2013 because they need cannon fodder in coming month.

We saw this from government announcement of “closing the embassies” in Aug. 2nd. “they (Al Qaida) may focus efforts to conduct attacks in the period between now and the end of August,"


Hound

The war on terror was invented by the Feds. The purpose is to demand more money and power from people. So when the intelligence and Pentagon are there, the terror will be there too. If there is none, they create one.

Human have hound in their house to protect their family against the wolf. As the hound getting more power, they don't want to be guards any more. They want to be master. So the hound trained some wolf they captured. Let the agent wolf to attack and kill human. Human is frightened. They give hound whatever they demanded -money, power ..... Now hound become master. When they need something, they let the agent wolf have an attack on human, then said, this is a long war, to protect your lives, I need warrantless surveillance, more budget fund, torture prison.... . The hound repeated its demand, "This enemy has struck us, and they will strike again, and we'll give our folks the tools necessary to protect the country," if you don't then the hound "can not protect ourselves".

That's why we saw after 10 years, occasionally a wolf or two were captured. But hundreds of thousands of innocent people died. There is an endless war to control people. A constant blackmail for more power.
 
786. August 25 plot (8/27/2013)

On Sunday, Aug. 25, the media was bustling with the news of “Syria Chemical attack”, “Obama’s red line”…..

Senior Administration Official: ‘Very Little Doubt’ Assad Regime Behind Alleged Chemical Attack
Aug 25, 2013

Senior Administration Official: ‘Very Little Doubt’ Assad Regime Behind Alleged Chemical Attack - ABC News


Navy ready to launch first strike on Syria

Britain is planning to join forces with America and launch military action against Syria within days in response to the gas attack believed to have been carried out by President Bashar al-Assad’s forces against his own people.

By Tim Ross and Ben Farmer
25 Aug 2013

Navy ready to launch first strike on Syria - Telegraph


Like what happened early this month, the news issued by government of “travel warning”, “US embassies closing”, it was just a one day’s fever. Aug. 25 was Sunday. My family members- my mother, my brother and sisters and their spouses visited me on that day. They invited me to lunch in a restaurant in Fremont. I refused. To go that restaurant, we must take the road through Milpitas. The area I avoid to go since Boston bombing and Waco factory explosion that took place in April. I think the Feds have prepared a bombing trap there.

I believe if I have accepted their invitation, a bombing incident would happen and war on Syria and then war on Iran would come successively. I feel sad for my relatives. I know some of them are manipulated by the Feds. They think they are safe to work for the Feds. Like the four “suicide bombers” in London 7/7 bombing and Tsarnaev brothers in Boston bombing, when they were told to join a drill with backpacks, they never had dreamed of they were the sacrifices.



787. The core tactic to distract is still the war on Iran (8/31/2013)


In early July, I wrote “779. Big events in 2013 is a big plot (7/10/2013)”. In which I pointed out the tactic the Feds used.


1. Attempted war on Iran. ….. (2) In same month, former Pope Benedict resigned under pressure. The Feds replaced him with a puppet of their own. As a Pope, Benedict would oppose war on Iran if it happenes. (see #759)

2. Bio attack – Bird Flu epidemic. ……

3. A nuclear war panic created by N. Korea. ……..

4. Domestic terror attack which at last will justify the war on Iran. The “terror attack” will be a “dirty bomb attack” or “nuclear bomb attack”. The likely target will be New York City. …..


The big plot ended in June which is signaled by Obama and Xi’s meeting. A new plot has been planned in August 25. (see #786). The original collaborators - China and N. Korea has been changed into Al Qaida. The tactic remains the same. You can see it from the two news below.

Pope decries Syrian atrocities

In the wake of a suspected chemical attack, Pope Francis urges the international community to do more to end the country's civil war. Lindsey Parietti reports.

http://news.yahoo.com/video/pope-decries-syrian-atrocities-135133731.html

New Pope Francis would have joined US choir to blame Syria regime on chemical attack because US official claims "very little doubt" Syria used chemical weapons."

US arrests man 'with uranium for Iran in shoes'


August 24, 2013 Iran

A man was arrested in New York City's international airport with uranium destined for Iran hidden in the soles of his shoes, the US Justice Department said.

US arrests man 'with uranium for Iran in shoes'


This news is very rich with the content that proves what I wrote before: Iran is targeted, New York related and nuclear horror is used. The two news were issued on Aug. 24, one day before the action day – Aug 25.
 
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