Page 13 of 27 FirstFirst ... 3111213141523 ... LastLast
Results 121 to 130 of 262

Thread: US Closing Embassies in Mideast for a Day amid Possible Qaeda Threat.....

  1. #121
    Banned
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Last Seen
    10-27-13 @ 03:09 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    3,229

    Re: US Closing Embassies in Mideast for a Day amid Possible Qaeda Threat.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Another thing is.....I haven't heard the UK or France closing any of theirs. Nor any others for this Sunday.
    The UK is closing it's embassies for 2 days..but have not issued a global traveller's warning...

  2. #122
    Banned
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Location
    Chicago Illinois
    Last Seen
    10-14-15 @ 09:28 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Private
    Posts
    56,981

    Re: US Closing Embassies in Mideast for a Day amid Possible Qaeda Threat.....

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfie View Post
    The UK is closing it's embassies for 2 days..but have not issued a global traveller's warning...
    Morning Wolfie. Yeah I got it up with the new piece on the Global Travel Ban for the Month of August. For the US.

    Still they are saying Western Interests.....one thing is for certain. AQ now knows, we know.

  3. #123
    Banned
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Last Seen
    10-27-13 @ 03:09 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    3,229

    Re: US Closing Embassies in Mideast for a Day amid Possible Qaeda Threat.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Morning Wolfie. Yeah I got it up with the new piece on the Global Travel Ban for the Month of August. For the US.

    Still they are saying Western Interests.....one thing is for certain. AQ now knows, we know.
    Hi Sweetie..

    Frankly I think it has been too publicised for any such terrorist act to take place..

    Jeez..I'm glad I'm not flying anywhere this week-end..we are virtually stripped naked at the border control as it is..

    Strangely enough..you can walk into the UK without any such rigmarole..

    Airline made me strip out of my shorts at the check-in desk because staff thought they were too revealing, says law student, 18 | Mail Online

  4. #124
    Sage
    cpwill's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    USofA
    Last Seen
    Today @ 12:10 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    57,076

    Re: US Closing Embassies in Mideast for a Day amid Possible Qaeda Threat.....

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Are you trying to say that these men and women who risk their lives for the nation in very risky covert operations are so easily bought off if there was real wrong doing?

    Seriously????
    Even Case Officers have careers and families to take care of. I know I've asked myself what I would do in that situation, and not been able to fully satisfy myself with an answer, suggesting that perhaps that is the sort of thing that you have to have Been There to understand.

  5. #125
    Professor
    iacardsfan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Last Seen
    11-24-17 @ 09:51 PM
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    1,981

    Re: US Closing Embassies in Mideast for a Day amid Possible Qaeda Threat.....

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Not to belittle the statistics you've provided here because any loss of life is bad, but how many of those 60 dead from embassy/consulate attacks during Bush's terms in office were Americans, American diplomats, Ambassadors? I think you'll find that the vast majority, if not all, of those killed were nationals of the country in which they were killed.

    That's the difference between your list and Benghazi.
    Fair enough, after looking more deeply into each attack you are correct on most. The 2006 killing in Karachi did in fact involve an ambassador and his driver though. Making it essentially the same thing as Benghazi.
    "Conservatism is the blind and fear-filled worship of dead radicals."
    - Mark Twain
    Run your own nation, play Cybernations.

  6. #126
    Banned
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Location
    Chicago Illinois
    Last Seen
    10-14-15 @ 09:28 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Private
    Posts
    56,981

    Re: US Closing Embassies in Mideast for a Day amid Possible Qaeda Threat.....

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfie View Post
    Hi Sweetie..

    Frankly I think it has been too publicised for any such terrorist act to take place..

    Jeez..I'm glad I'm not flying anywhere this week-end..we are virtually stripped naked at the border control as it is..

    Strangely enough..you can walk into the UK without any such rigmarole..

    Airline made me strip out of my shorts at the check-in desk because staff thought they were too revealing, says law student, 18 | Mail Online


    They were interviewing people here asking them what they thought of this. Many were concerned but not going to give up or change their travel plans.

    I had a friend show me what one first class ticket to the UK costs. With all that people go thru just to fly somewhere. I think one could save up their money and buy their own plane for another 40k. Sheesh.

    What a scam traveling has become.

  7. #127
    Banned
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Last Seen
    10-27-13 @ 03:09 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    3,229

    Re: US Closing Embassies in Mideast for a Day amid Possible Qaeda Threat.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    They were interviewing people here asking them what they thought of this. Many were concerned but not going to give up or change their travel plans.

    I had a friend show me what one first class ticket to the UK costs. With all that people go thru just to fly somewhere. I think one could save up their money and buy their own plane for another 40k. Sheesh.

    What a scam traveling has become.
    I honestly think that the border control guys just wanted to see her in her knickers..

  8. #128
    Sage

    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    okla-freakin-homa
    Last Seen
    Today @ 05:09 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Progressive
    Posts
    12,619

    Re: US Closing Embassies in Mideast for a Day amid Possible Qaeda Threat.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Iran-Contra was an illegal activity. It is not a valid analogy. I spent 34 years in that business. The SoS is briefed.
    So define legal CIA activities, seems the very heart of the CIA operations is stuff we don't want to be held accountable for. Authorized, unauthorized, plausible deniability... part and parcel of covert ops.

    You attended the briefings given the SoS? How is Iran/Contra not valid? The CIA and National security team ran guns, men, cash and supposedly drugs through the countries bordering Nicaragua and the Ambassadors didn't know? if the State coordinates all foreign policy then State had to know something, your logic is flawed.

    More like the Ambassador knew a CIA OP was going on but the details were not divulged. Diplomats have to at least maintain an appearance of clean hands in the foreign relations community. Just as every embassy has a 'cultural attache' or 'communications consultant' with diplomatic immunity the State dept is an umbrella for CIA ops, but the diplomats are not privy to what all the CIA does on station.

    I'm sure Hillary knew Benghazi was a CIA op, that is why she was very careful in how she answered a few questions about weapons, Syria, Turkey- but I don't think she knew any details nor was privy to any specific threats toward the CIA op center.

    One detail I have wondered about- IF the State dept was actually running the weapons clean-up then who was the Head Fred, the man/woman in-charge on the ground?
    What Department of State official was running Benghazi?

    So bottomline who controls what, who is responsible for what-

    State runs the above board foreign relations, the CIA the under the table stuff.

    Hillary knows of most major operations the CIA conducts but not day to day activities, CIA in house threat evaluations concerning those ops, nor what measures are in place in case of a major incident. Benghazi was CIA from start to finish- they dropped their own hot potato, the Ambassador wandered into something he should have stayed out of.

    State supports the CIA station Chiefs but does not coordinate nor in any way dictate the CIA operations.

    I liken it to a hotel owner renting a room to a whore. Yes the owner knows she is a whore but as long as she doesn't parade around naked infront of the hotel he looks the other way and keeps clean sheets on the bed. but the owner doesn't stand outside the door incase a trick decides to give the whore a good beat down instead of money. The owner doesn't keep a few thugs on hand to rush to the whore's aid if she is getting a beat down. That is on the whore.

    But I'll bet your 30 some years you claim in experience that NO SoS every knew ALL CIA OPS, and we will exclude the found out ones that were patently illegal from drugs out of SE Asia, Columbia, Iran/Contra, but as our dear friends on the radical right will quickly say- IF the CIA was running weapons to Syria they would call that illegal as well.

    So using some 'patently illegal' label regarding CIA OPs leaves me thinking your 30 some years didn't get too close to the nitty gritty as we say....

  9. #129
    Sometimes wrong

    ttwtt78640's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2012
    Location
    Uhland, Texas
    Last Seen
    Today @ 02:07 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    34,550

    Re: US Closing Embassies in Mideast for a Day amid Possible Qaeda Threat.....

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    So if Obama doesn't take security measures the tea partiers blame him and if he does take security measures the tea partiers blame him

    Maybe the problem is the stupidity of the tea partiers.
    Ask a business, e.g. a bank or store, which day of the year that they choose to implement strict security measures.
    “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

  10. #130
    Sage

    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    okla-freakin-homa
    Last Seen
    Today @ 05:09 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Progressive
    Posts
    12,619

    Re: US Closing Embassies in Mideast for a Day amid Possible Qaeda Threat.....

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Even Case Officers have careers and families to take care of. I know I've asked myself what I would do in that situation, and not been able to fully satisfy myself with an answer, suggesting that perhaps that is the sort of thing that you have to have Been There to understand.
    My answer is that we are not in the situation means we are not willing to put ourselves out there like that, so what we would do/think isn't very telling.

    I can understand some of the agents who have families and put paycheck above doing the right thing so they will refrain from speaking out. What I don't understand about Maggie's post was the implication, later called 'reward', of early retirement and pension, used to silence so many agents. (That does knock out the career part- that is over once the pension mentioned) I can't see ALL the agents staying quiet if wrong doing happened. I damn sure don't see it as a reward as she tried to claim later. The OP blew up and an Ambassador was killed- the CIA frowns on splashy headlines and boy-howdy there were some splashy headlines!

    Now if you want to put yourself in someone else's shoes how about this-

    The numbers bandied about on how many agents were present that night are quite varied- over 20, over 60... so lets just say 40. Out of 40 how many agents who risk their lives daily are married with children? bet far fewer than half but lets say half. So 20 young proud dedicated young men and women single and risking life and limb daily. If found out they risk a slow torturous death.

    So these 20 brave single young people find out the State Dept could have intervened but didn't, the Military could have intervened but didn't, the CIA could have intervened but didn't and their brothers in arms died. left hanging in the wind for hours to die. The Commander in Chief slept while brave Americans died. Hillary ignored repeated emails, the military was told to stand down, the CIA- well I have no idea what the CIA did or didn't do....

    Not one of the 20 is willing to stand up for their fallen comrades? Not one????

    So lets try this, the dead CIA contract labor is seen by the 'real' agents as simple hired muscle who failed to do their job- sucks to be them. The covert mission which uses the cover of 'securing regime weapons' has to continue. Agents across the Middle East are still in dangerous positions, exposing the covert op would endanger many 'real' CIA agents. Hard Right Rabble Rousing Republicans are more concerned with a shot at political advantage in 2014 and sullying Hillary anyway they can before 2016 than the lives, families, and careers of those agents still in harm's way. These agents hate the poor security and lax attitude at the OP Center in Benghazi, don't have a warm fuzzy for how poorly that part of the OP was handled, but they are dedicated and the OP must be having some sort of positive feedback- sort of like the very beginning of Arms to the Afghans in Reagan's era. (We didn't start out bragging about hauling weapons to fight the Roosian in Afghanistan- it wasn't until Stingers were introduced and it was difficult to deny our involvement did Reagan stand and sell it as a good thang)

    Of the two scenarios I'd hate to think it is a whole herd of easy to cow agents and would rather think the agents are sucking it up so the mission continues.

Page 13 of 27 FirstFirst ... 3111213141523 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •