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    Re: New Snowden leak: NSA program taps all you do online

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    If that is true, which I think it is, then why didn't they prevent the Boston Marathon bombing?

    FYI - The issue remains: the IC is harvesting information on everyone they can and a lot of people hate the idea of it no matter what word game or rationale they use.
    Part of the reason is that Obama didn't want the mosques being spied on.
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    Re: New Snowden leak: NSA program taps all you do online

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    It's not "insider information", it's common sense. Do you honestly believe that the number of personnel they have has the capacity to scan hundreds of millions of mouse clicks, phone calls, and texts every second of the day? That's stupid. They'll be looking at specifically targeted areas for suspicious activity. Any idiot with half a brain and even the most basic knowledge of how the department of defense operates can figure that out.



    No, I'm just not dumb enough to believe that the NSA isn't abusing the power it was given when Congress and the Supreme Court gave them a free pass in 2006, nor do I think the government is this huge omniscient being that sees all and knows all. Everything is systemized, bureaued, and has at least 136 levels of protocols and SOPs. Would you like to post more asinine assumptions about my character based on one post, or are you done with the polarized hysterics?
    It's not too asinine of an assumption when you make it very clear that you completely trust the government with all of this and have zero issue with low level employees being able to access any American's data. You're putting your safety in front of our privacy rights, which in my opinion is a very cowardly thing to do.

    I never said they were monitoring every single mouse click or email, I'm stating, like the facts represent, that they CAN check any given individuals email, browsing history, phone calls, etc. They also DO this on a very regular basis with almost zero oversight or approval required. As the leak reported, any authorized low level employee can use the software without specific authorization for the person they're looking for.

    Combine this with the previous leak, that they're gathering an insane amount of meta data on everything you do, they can target individuals with "suspicious profiles".
    (which turns out to be rather silly things like 'using a language not typical of the region they're in.' This is the American melting pot, no ****).

    This is insider information. Up until now the depth of their abilities has been largely unknown, and was mostly viewed as "paranoid conspiracy theories". Now we have definitive proof. If it wasn't insider information, Snowden wouldn't be the most wanted man alive right now.
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    New Snowden leak: NSA program taps all you do online

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    It's not overblown at all. If anything it was "underblown". Even low level employees have access to our emails, browsing history, and a mountain of other data, without any kind of authorization or warrant. You don't sound like you have much respect for the constitution. Would you still defend their actions if they were physically searching you and your house instead of electronically?
    It is overblown; it is sensationalized to appeal to American's core belief that their freedoms and privacy are sacred and are now under assault.

    The reality is that these programs, which have been around for decades, are there to protect those freedoms. Carnivore, an FBI sniffer program, was around in the late 1990s..lets not get all worked up now. You assume the programs are targeted at you, which is pretty narcissistic btw; xkeyscore, which is old btw, wasn't designed to track your bs Internet activity LOL.

    Jut look at how people react: "low level employees have access to my info..." I mean com'on, you make it sound like the 15 year old at McDonalds does. Low level employees at the NSA aren't the guy who sweeps the floor or asks if you want fries with your burger.

    People's passions are being stoked by this story. This is why people throw up The Fourth Amendment and make analogies to their physical persons being searched; the truth is that The Fourth Amendment doesn't cover you 100% within the electronic spectrum. In fact most references to it show how little people actually understand The Fourth Amendment.

    There have been decades of legal precedent that have addressed pieces of this argument and programs. Some of you seem to think that the whole government is just one big rogue outfit. An elephant trampling on your rights; I don't deny that Uncle Sam screws shyt up all the time, but to extrapolate how one feels about government in general to how the IC operates or why they do what they do is beyond logic. I mean, what do you think the NSA does?

    In the end history will clear up this whole debacle; IMO Snowden is a mole, and a rat, his whole job hopping campaign deeper and deeper into the infrastructure of these programs smells fishy. The guy worked at BA for three months before running to HK with all these secrets; his time line of activities do not make sense. This guy had help and IMO from the outside. He is no hero and your being misled.

    The media and many have taken sympathy to this POS; however history will prove that you were misled...in the interim no amount of logic and facts will suffice for those of you with preconceived notions.
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    Re: New Snowden leak: NSA program taps all you do online

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The government can copy and read your 'puter and/or copy it all - including anything you deleted up to 7 layers deep as of a few years ago (meaning until you totally over-write your hard drive 7-times it is still there. Other software, such as Norton, is specifically saving everything you do in a hidden file called the "ghost file." None of any of this is really a secret.
    lol, that's not what a a wipe is for and it's not what it does, but that's a very novel way to look at it.

    Hubble(s) doesn't look at space, it is watching you. 24/7 and saving it all. That is how they located the Waco bomber so quickly. Curious law too. It is entirely legal to use to spy on people, but illegal to allow more than a certain resolution to be released. Thus, nothing seen can ever be used in a court or publicly released. That also is why such as Google Satellite can only zoom in so close. The government could read a book along with you from space as you read it on a park bench, but the security law says they can never publicly release nor even reveal this including in court in anything but the resolution limitation. No exceptions allowed. They want most people to think this just a conspiracy nut myth.
    I liked Enemy of the State, too. Good movie. But, no.
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    Re: New Snowden leak: NSA program taps all you do online

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    New Snowden leak: NSA program taps all you do online - CNN.com
    "Somebody's watching you"
    Imagine what an incumbent with access to that could do during a campaign?
    Or what the Chinese will do with after they hack in and make copies.

    It's a bad idea under more than one way of looking at it.
    Even if you're willing to forgo the arguments about how a civil society should operate and treat it's citizens, there're still the arguments about the practical safety issues of creating a giant handle to grab America by.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: New Snowden leak: NSA program taps all you do online

    Quote Originally Posted by greyhat View Post
    The reality is that these programs, which have been around for decades, are there to protect those freedoms. Carnivore, an FBI sniffer program, was around in the late 1990s..lets not get all worked up now.
    It's a tool, just like a gun. Guns in the hands of the govt are also ostensibly there to protect my freedoms.
    But one of the big differences is that it's easier to tell if a gun has been used in a manner which is inconsistent with the law. It's easier to see an buse of position or power if the tool used is a gun. When the tool is access to off-site data, it's much harder to watch the watchmen who're protecting my freedoms.

    Quote Originally Posted by greyhat View Post
    I don't deny that Uncle Sam screws shyt up all the time, but to extrapolate how one feels about government in general to how the IC operates or why they do what they do is beyond logic.
    " I harbor ... concerns that one day a person who is something less than sterling may slip past the [screeners] or be accidentally appointed to a public trust. One day [someone] who puts his own interests and the interests of those who ply him with funds and favors above the best interests of the Americans he serves could find his way into a public trust.

    Course, I realize how unlikely it is that such a thing'd occur again in our lifetimes. Yet, it'll occur in some Americans' lifetimes. It may happen in the next hundred months. It may not happen til after the next one hundred years. No matter how long it takes, it's sure to occur. The electorate must actively preserve and acquire all necessary tools to find skullduggery and the appearances of skullduggery. When used properly, these limit the damage potential of hugger mugger scoundrels and reprobates in positions of public trust. The electorate must also actively preserve and acquire all necessary tools to end and correct such perfidy as it is discovered
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: XKeyStore

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Absolutely.......

    This is just the beginning tho. These tyrants are trying to make us "get used to" the idea of government superiority over the individual not to mention our Bill of Rights. They (government) calls that "progress" - meaning slow change over time (in which humans can easily adapt to) especially when they're brainwashed on top of that.
    Totally agree, and perhaps a way to set this back on a manageable course, since the genie is already out of the box, is to allow us, ordinary citizens, the right to access this same program and be able to look at all Federal employees, allow access to everything they have on them... and should it ever be found to be utilized against an individual without obtaining a proper warrant first, all information of whatever nature, classified or not, that anybody that was involved with obtaining information on that individual, from the perpetrator's birth records on, should be accessible to the injured party.

    That will not fix the problem, but maybe someone has a better idea as this is and will be an ongoing problem in a free society...

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    Re: New Snowden leak: NSA program taps all you do online

    Quote Originally Posted by greyhat View Post
    It is overblown; it is sensationalized to appeal to American's core belief that their freedoms and privacy are sacred and are now under assault.

    The reality is that these programs, which have been around for decades, are there to protect those freedoms. Carnivore, an FBI sniffer program, was around in the late 1990s..lets not get all worked up now. You assume the programs are targeted at you, which is pretty narcissistic btw; xkeyscore, which is old btw, wasn't designed to track your bs Internet activity LOL.

    Jut look at how people react: "low level employees have access to my info..." I mean com'on, you make it sound like the 15 year old at McDonalds does. Low level employees at the NSA aren't the guy who sweeps the floor or asks if you want fries with your burger.

    People's passions are being stoked by this story. This is why people throw up The Fourth Amendment and make analogies to their physical persons being searched; the truth is that The Fourth Amendment doesn't cover you 100% within the electronic spectrum. In fact most references to it show how little people actually understand The Fourth Amendment.

    There have been decades of legal precedent that have addressed pieces of this argument and programs. Some of you seem to think that the whole government is just one big rogue outfit. An elephant trampling on your rights; I don't deny that Uncle Sam screws shyt up all the time, but to extrapolate how one feels about government in general to how the IC operates or why they do what they do is beyond logic. I mean, what do you think the NSA does?

    In the end history will clear up this whole debacle; IMO Snowden is a mole, and a rat, his whole job hopping campaign deeper and deeper into the infrastructure of these programs smells fishy. The guy worked at BA for three months before running to HK with all these secrets; his time line of activities do not make sense. This guy had help and IMO from the outside. He is no hero and your being misled.

    The media and many have taken sympathy to this POS; however history will prove that you were misled...in the interim no amount of logic and facts will suffice for those of you with preconceived notions.
    Yes, the problem is not with ""the 15 year old at McDonalds"... it is rather the Snowdens of the world, its the "rogue" or influenced IRS employees who start looking for ways to mess with people who perhaps are not of the same political or religious or...whatever, stripe as they are... this system is fraught with bad possibilities, ripe to be picked by the worst amongst us even while it can be used for good as well.

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    Re: XKeyStore

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Thank you. It's just astonishing that people curse Snowden as a traitor and then bitch about being spied on. Snowden is a ****ing hero as far as I'm concerned.
    I think the jury is still out on Snowden. As a person who regards my Constitutional rights as near sacred, I believe he has informed and confirmed for us something extremely important here. However, I have no idea what other materials he has given up, how that affects our security with there being lots of predators out there in the rest of the world who would do us harm... so it really depends...

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    Re: New Snowden leak: NSA program taps all you do online

    Watching greyhat and OldWorldOrder school joko on what computer programs can and can't do is absolutely hilarious. It's Aslan-Fox all over again.
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