I never said they were monitoring every single mouse click or email, I'm stating, like the facts represent, that they CAN check any given individuals email, browsing history, phone calls, etc. They also DO this on a very regular basis with almost zero oversight or approval required. As the leak reported, any authorized low level employee can use the software without specific authorization for the person they're looking for.
Combine this with the previous leak, that they're gathering an insane amount of meta data on everything you do, they can target individuals with "suspicious profiles".
(which turns out to be rather silly things like 'using a language not typical of the region they're in.' This is the American melting pot, no ****).
This is insider information. Up until now the depth of their abilities has been largely unknown, and was mostly viewed as "paranoid conspiracy theories". Now we have definitive proof. If it wasn't insider information, Snowden wouldn't be the most wanted man alive right now.
"If I take death into my life, acknowledge it, and face it squarely, I will free myself from the anxiety of death and the pettiness of life - and only then will I be free to become myself." ~ Martin Heidegger
The reality is that these programs, which have been around for decades, are there to protect those freedoms. Carnivore, an FBI sniffer program, was around in the late 1990s..lets not get all worked up now. You assume the programs are targeted at you, which is pretty narcissistic btw; xkeyscore, which is old btw, wasn't designed to track your bs Internet activity LOL.
Jut look at how people react: "low level employees have access to my info..." I mean com'on, you make it sound like the 15 year old at McDonalds does. Low level employees at the NSA aren't the guy who sweeps the floor or asks if you want fries with your burger.
People's passions are being stoked by this story. This is why people throw up The Fourth Amendment and make analogies to their physical persons being searched; the truth is that The Fourth Amendment doesn't cover you 100% within the electronic spectrum. In fact most references to it show how little people actually understand The Fourth Amendment.
There have been decades of legal precedent that have addressed pieces of this argument and programs. Some of you seem to think that the whole government is just one big rogue outfit. An elephant trampling on your rights; I don't deny that Uncle Sam screws shyt up all the time, but to extrapolate how one feels about government in general to how the IC operates or why they do what they do is beyond logic. I mean, what do you think the NSA does?
In the end history will clear up this whole debacle; IMO Snowden is a mole, and a rat, his whole job hopping campaign deeper and deeper into the infrastructure of these programs smells fishy. The guy worked at BA for three months before running to HK with all these secrets; his time line of activities do not make sense. This guy had help and IMO from the outside. He is no hero and your being misled.
The media and many have taken sympathy to this POS; however history will prove that you were misled...in the interim no amount of logic and facts will suffice for those of you with preconceived notions.
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I liked Enemy of the State, too. Good movie. But, no.Hubble(s) doesn't look at space, it is watching you. 24/7 and saving it all. That is how they located the Waco bomber so quickly. Curious law too. It is entirely legal to use to spy on people, but illegal to allow more than a certain resolution to be released. Thus, nothing seen can ever be used in a court or publicly released. That also is why such as Google Satellite can only zoom in so close. The government could read a book along with you from space as you read it on a park bench, but the security law says they can never publicly release nor even reveal this including in court in anything but the resolution limitation. No exceptions allowed. They want most people to think this just a conspiracy nut myth.
The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of Conservatives is to prevent mistakes from being corrected.
It's a bad idea under more than one way of looking at it.
Even if you're willing to forgo the arguments about how a civil society should operate and treat it's citizens, there're still the arguments about the practical safety issues of creating a giant handle to grab America by.
I may be wrong.
But one of the big differences is that it's easier to tell if a gun has been used in a manner which is inconsistent with the law. It's easier to see an buse of position or power if the tool used is a gun. When the tool is access to off-site data, it's much harder to watch the watchmen who're protecting my freedoms.
" I harbor ... concerns that one day a person who is something less than sterling may slip past the [screeners] or be accidentally appointed to a public trust. One day [someone] who puts his own interests and the interests of those who ply him with funds and favors above the best interests of the Americans he serves could find his way into a public trust.
Course, I realize how unlikely it is that such a thing'd occur again in our lifetimes. Yet, it'll occur in some Americans' lifetimes. It may happen in the next hundred months. It may not happen til after the next one hundred years. No matter how long it takes, it's sure to occur. The electorate must actively preserve and acquire all necessary tools to find skullduggery and the appearances of skullduggery. When used properly, these limit the damage potential of hugger mugger scoundrels and reprobates in positions of public trust. The electorate must also actively preserve and acquire all necessary tools to end and correct such perfidy as it is discovered
I may be wrong.
That will not fix the problem, but maybe someone has a better idea as this is and will be an ongoing problem in a free society...
Watching greyhat and OldWorldOrder school joko on what computer programs can and can't do is absolutely hilarious. It's Aslan-Fox all over again.
I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality. - MLK