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Gay Athletes Could Be Prosecuted at 2014 Winter Olympics, Russian Lawmaker Suggests

Re: Gay Athletes Could Be Prosecuted at 2014 Winter Olympics, Russian Lawmaker Sugges

After having read all comments, I have one general question.

Is the premise that athletes who have same gender proclivities are so lacking in self-control or discipline they are unable to restrain themselves for four weeks while in a foreign country to participate in the Olympics? Is the premise these athletes, who have worked and trained for years, are going loose focus for four weeks over this issue. It is four weeks out of years in their lives. Russia may publicly put this law out there; however, ate you all so totally benighted as to think China would not have had the same law but not so publicly stated. Russia's law may be egregious but they are a sovereign nation. Athletes at all Olympics have to follow the laws of the nation in which they are participating.

I don't care one way or another here, it is after all just a celebration of athletic excellence every two years that only a very few get to participate in and a very few in a host country get to personally observe. But I would make two points on this:

1) To my knowledge, gays at the Olympics are no more promiscuous or lacking in self-control than heterosexuals are at the games. It's why the games provide upwards of 100,000 condoms to the athletes, perhaps more since that's the last number I heard.

2) It has become somewhat of a tradition that there is a "Pride House" or whatever they call it where gay athletes and their families from around the world congregate during the games and such a place likely won't be provided in Sochi.

I believe this is simply politicians being politicians and much ado about nothing in the end and young people from around the world will congregate, do what young people generally do - have fun, drink, have sex, have more sex, make friends and go home, some with shiny medals around their necks, some without, and all having for the most part enjoyed the cultural and athletic experience.
 
Re: Gay Athletes Could Be Prosecuted at 2014 Winter Olympics, Russian Lawmaker Sugges

looks like it will be difficult for everyone to have a gay time at the Olympics ... anyway, hopefully we will boycott if openly gay athletes can't compete ...

From the source:
"The IOC has received assurances from the highest level of government in Russia that the legislation will not affect those attending or taking part in the Games," the statement continued.

The chance Russia will actually enforce the law during the Olympics approaches zero. It would be a painfully stupid move on their part.
 
Re: Gay Athletes Could Be Prosecuted at 2014 Winter Olympics, Russian Lawmaker Sugges

*laughs* Russian people do not like homosexuals. Among the Russian people have a lot of believers. Faith condemns homosexuality. Remember what happened to Saddam and Gomorrah? In addition, homosexuality - is a mental aberration. In Russia banned propaganda of mentally disabled people. In Russia care about the health of the nation. If homosexuals do not break the law - are not touched. If molest people (especially children) - the police for them to protect, from disgruntled people. Do you really think that a boycott of the Olympics will affect the Russian people? Boycott Olympics - pinprick. The same trouble will be the United States for the next Olympics. It was already in 1980. So what? Most countries will send their teams. And given the fact that the West is turning into a third world country, those who would impose a boycott - will themselves look like idiots.

This is probably why Russia lost the cold war and is now little more than a very large third world country. Some day they might choose to enter civilization, but apparently not yet.
 
Re: Gay Athletes Could Be Prosecuted at 2014 Winter Olympics, Russian Lawmaker Sugges

People who think the Olympics will be boycotted don't understand what it has become. It's a feast for multi-national corporations (of which the IOC is one), as well as for the richest people of Russia and whatever other elites can make it. It's an excuse to hand billions of dollars in public tax money to a private corporation, all for the sake of a sporting event.

These big businesses simply don't care about these hotbutton social issues, and neither do the upper crust (including politicians) who all get a nice slice of the pie. Do you know how many people died making way for the Beijing Olympics in China? How many neighborhoods destroyed, and how many lives ruined? There was mega international pressure back then to reconsider China, but it never happened.

I really hate the Russian government and its theocratic sectarian nutjobs who have stoked the fires of prejudice in Russia with all these anti-gay laws, but sadly, given the track record of the IOC, there's little chance it's going to be boycotted. There's just too much money to be made, and the infrastructure is already being laid.

Actually, a lot of social justice researchers have noticed the wave of humans rights problems that follows the Olympics, the worst of which is the trade in human sex slaves, some of them minors. This kind of social injustice seems par for the course whenever the IOC comes up, at this point.

This, this is why I still post at DP.
 
Re: Gay Athletes Could Be Prosecuted at 2014 Winter Olympics, Russian Lawmaker Sugges

I don't care one way or another here, it is after all just a celebration of athletic excellence every two years that only a very few get to participate in and a very few in a host country get to personally observe. But I would make two points on this:

1) To my knowledge, gays at the Olympics are no more promiscuous or lacking in self-control than heterosexuals are at the games. It's why the games provide upwards of 100,000 condoms to the athletes, perhaps more since that's the last number I heard.

2) It has become somewhat of a tradition that there is a "Pride House" or whatever they call it where gay athletes and their families from around the world congregate during the games and such a place likely won't be provided in Sochi.

I believe this is simply politicians being politicians and much ado about nothing in the end and young people from around the world will congregate, do what young people generally do - have fun, drink, have sex, have more sex, make friends and go home, some with shiny medals around their necks, some without, and all having for the most part enjoyed the cultural and athletic experience.

From what I have heard, the Olympics, filled with late teen and 20 something men and women with little supervision is something of a wild party. If only I was young and fit and talented...
 
Re: Gay Athletes Could Be Prosecuted at 2014 Winter Olympics, Russian Lawmaker Sugges

This is probably why Russia lost the cold war and is now little more than a very large third world country. Some day they might choose to enter civilization, but apparently not yet.

I seriously doubt that its policy towards homosexuality had anything to do with the Soviet Union losing the Cold War. Some people really have homosexuality on the brain.
 
Re: Gay Athletes Could Be Prosecuted at 2014 Winter Olympics, Russian Lawmaker Sugges

I seriously doubt that its policy towards homosexuality had anything to do with the Soviet Union losing the Cold War. Some people really have homosexuality on the brain.

Not that specifically, but the mindset which sees it as a good idea.
 
Re: Gay Athletes Could Be Prosecuted at 2014 Winter Olympics, Russian Lawmaker Sugges

Not that specifically, but the mindset which sees it as a good idea.

No, not that either. As hard as it may be for some people to believe, the universe does not hinge on the issue of homosexuality.
 
Re: Gay Athletes Could Be Prosecuted at 2014 Winter Olympics, Russian Lawmaker Sugges

No, not that either. As hard as it may be for some people to believe, the universe does not hinge on the issue of homosexuality.

The mindset of trying to control people....
 
Re: Gay Athletes Could Be Prosecuted at 2014 Winter Olympics, Russian Lawmaker Sugges

-- If we do boycott the Russian Olympics, I hope the European nations who also abhor institutionalized criminalization of homosexuals will do the same to show solidarity with the global homosexual community.

Pretty certain we would.

People who think the Olympics will be boycotted don't understand what it has become. It's a feast for multi-national corporations (of which the IOC is one), as well as for the richest people of Russia and whatever other elites can make it. It's an excuse to hand billions of dollars in public tax money to a private corporation, all for the sake of a sporting event.

These big businesses simply don't care about these hotbutton social issues, and neither do the upper crust (including politicians) who all get a nice slice of the pie. Do you know how many people died making way for the Beijing Olympics in China? How many neighborhoods destroyed, and how many lives ruined? There was mega international pressure back then to reconsider China, but it never happened.

I really hate the Russian government and its theocratic sectarian nutjobs who have stoked the fires of prejudice in Russia with all these anti-gay laws, but sadly, given the track record of the IOC, there's little chance it's going to be boycotted. There's just too much money to be made, and the infrastructure is already being laid.

Actually, a lot of social justice researchers have noticed the wave of humans rights problems that follows the Olympics, the worst of which is the trade in human sex slaves, some of them minors. This kind of social injustice seems par for the course whenever the IOC comes up, at this point.

For everything you write about the IOC, I could swap "IOC" for FIFA and the Football World Cup and you'd still be right.

Only thing now is that Brazil is seeing internal protest at the corruption on a society changing level (not immediately - but in the long term). I don't see the same in Russia, the bigotry against homosexuals seems far too deep rooted.
 
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Re: Gay Athletes Could Be Prosecuted at 2014 Winter Olympics, Russian Lawmaker Sugges

What a WOPR...

So, they basically made the topic XXX. Society has the right to do such things. Personally, I'm OK with protecting minors from this, and other things.

What the **** do minors have to do with anything?
 
Re: Gay Athletes Could Be Prosecuted at 2014 Winter Olympics, Russian Lawmaker Sugges

The mindset of trying to control people....

Communism spelled the doom of the Soviet Union, nothing else.
 
Re: Gay Athletes Could Be Prosecuted at 2014 Winter Olympics, Russian Lawmaker Sugges

What the **** do minors have to do with anything?

It is their society standard.

Do you agree or disagree that parents should have expectations of not having their children exposed to things they don't want them exposed to? What if you local nudist colony wanted to host games in a childrens park in your community, that your children walk pst to school every day? Or are you OK with public nudity? What about public sex events?

This is a different country, different culture. Even in our culture, we draw lines.
 
Re: Gay Athletes Could Be Prosecuted at 2014 Winter Olympics, Russian Lawmaker Sugges

It is their society standard.

Do you agree or disagree that parents should have expectations of not having their children exposed to things they don't want them exposed to? What if you local nudist colony wanted to host games in a childrens park in your community, that your children walk pst to school every day? Or are you OK with public nudity? What about public sex events?

This is a different country, different culture. Even in our culture, we draw lines.

If you do not want your kids exposed to life, you probably should not have kids.
 
Re: Gay Athletes Could Be Prosecuted at 2014 Winter Olympics, Russian Lawmaker Sugges

Communism spelled the doom of the Soviet Union, nothing else.

Ummmm NO, this is off topic but Roosia was doomed by a paranoid cabal of despotic cronies who used totalitarianism and a 'snitch' state to rule with a heavy and inflexible fist. Men who would be severely taxed to run a backwater 3rd world piss-ant country were in every way over their heads trying to manage a dominate world power once WWII stopped.

Now that The Soviet has collapsed and it is a 2nd tier world power with a gangster capitalism/thugger government hybrid these men seem much more in their element and Roosia is doing better.

Roosia could learn from Peter the Great- when you invite people into your country you set-up a special place for them to live slightly apart from your culture so as not to be 'contaminated' by their outside beliefs. This way you gain the benefit you seek without officially condoning their practices. Catherine the Great's use of special settlements is where we get the term- 'beyond the pale'.

I suppose this is why no one calls him Putin the Great... :peace
 
Re: Gay Athletes Could Be Prosecuted at 2014 Winter Olympics, Russian Lawmaker Sugges

From what I have heard, the Olympics, filled with late teen and 20 something men and women with little supervision is something of a wild party. If only I was young and fit and talented...
And rich. Don't forget rich - haha!- rich beyond your wildest dreams.
 
Re: Gay Athletes Could Be Prosecuted at 2014 Winter Olympics, Russian Lawmaker Sugges

This is probably why Russia lost the cold war and is now little more than a very large third world country. Some day they might choose to enter civilization, but apparently not yet.

* laughs * «Непобедимая армия Соединенных Штатов" состоит из гомосексуалистов? То есть, боевые педерасты?
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Re: Gay Athletes Could Be Prosecuted at 2014 Winter Olympics, Russian Lawmaker Sugges

Plane ticket to russia - 2000 dollars
Hotel costs for four weeks 4000 dollars
tickets to olympic events 1000 dollars

Spending the rest of your life in a russian Gulag with ***** Riot because of your personalized rainbow flag visa gold card - Priceless!
 
Re: Gay Athletes Could Be Prosecuted at 2014 Winter Olympics, Russian Lawmaker Sugges

When the war's over and you're fighting a cockroach for the last crumb of bread Just remember that the Russkies started it.

Nope, Jimmy Carter was the guy who started it. I was close to making that team, lots of my friends got screwed. It was an abomination what the clown from Plains did
 
Re: Gay Athletes Could Be Prosecuted at 2014 Winter Olympics, Russian Lawmaker Sugges

Nope, Jimmy Carter was the guy who started it. I was close to making that team, lots of my friends got screwed. It was an abomination what the clown from Plains did

The way that some of you talk about Jimmy Carter here at DP, one would swear he was the most evil and vile person ever.
 
Re: Gay Athletes Could Be Prosecuted at 2014 Winter Olympics, Russian Lawmaker Sugges

The way that some of you talk about Jimmy Carter here at DP, one would swear he was the most evil and vile person ever.

As presidents go, most of us who were athletes believe that. If you only knew the threats he made towards those who wanted to compete (as Sir Sebastien Coe did in the 1980 games under the IOC flag where Sir Seb won the gold medal) under the IOC flag, it would really piss you off

back later
 
Re: Gay Athletes Could Be Prosecuted at 2014 Winter Olympics, Russian Lawmaker Sugges

I can't help but wonder how the Russians plan to test athletes for gayness.
 
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