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    Re: Gay Athletes Could Be Prosecuted at 2014 Winter Olympics, Russian Lawmaker Sugges

    After having read all comments, I have one general question.

    Is the premise that athletes who have same gender proclivities are so lacking in self-control or discipline they are unable to restrain themselves for four weeks while in a foreign country to participate in the Olympics? Is the premise these athletes, who have worked and trained for years, are going loose focus for four weeks over this issue. It is four weeks out of years in their lives. Russia may publicly put this law out there; however, ate you all so totally benighted as to think China would not have had the same law but not so publicly stated. Russia's law may be egregious but they are a sovereign nation. Athletes at all Olympics have to follow the laws of the nation in which they are participating.

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    Re: Gay Athletes Could Be Prosecuted at 2014 Winter Olympics, Russian Lawmaker Sugges

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    Oh well. Russia's laws are their laws. Nobody protested China and it's laws.. so this is a bunch about nuttin.
    Though, as far as I can remember, Chinese laws weren't a direct threat to participants in the Olympic games.

    I don't see why Russia should even be allowed to host the games if their laws can be a threat to participants.
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    Re: Gay Athletes Could Be Prosecuted at 2014 Winter Olympics, Russian Lawmaker Sugges

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Here we go again - another opportunity for the west, led by the United States, to boycott an Olympic Games being held in Russia, to be followed by a boycott of the next Olympic Games to be held in the United States. There was some initial talk about boycotting because Snowden being in Russia, but this seems to be more attractive as a reason.
    *laughs* Russian people do not like homosexuals. Among the Russian people have a lot of believers. Faith condemns homosexuality. Remember what happened to Saddam and Gomorrah? In addition, homosexuality - is a mental aberration. In Russia banned propaganda of mentally disabled people. In Russia care about the health of the nation. If homosexuals do not break the law - are not touched. If molest people (especially children) - the police for them to protect, from disgruntled people. Do you really think that a boycott of the Olympics will affect the Russian people? Boycott Olympics - pinprick. The same trouble will be the United States for the next Olympics. It was already in 1980. So what? Most countries will send their teams. And given the fact that the West is turning into a third world country, those who would impose a boycott - will themselves look like idiots.

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    Re: Gay Athletes Could Be Prosecuted at 2014 Winter Olympics, Russian Lawmaker Sugges

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Perhaps they just suspend men's figure skating for this Olympics....problem solved!
    Well played, sir, well played.

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    Re: Gay Athletes Could Be Prosecuted at 2014 Winter Olympics, Russian Lawmaker Sugges

    People who think the Olympics will be boycotted don't understand what it has become. It's a feast for multi-national corporations (of which the IOC is one), as well as for the richest people of Russia and whatever other elites can make it. It's an excuse to hand billions of dollars in public tax money to a private corporation, all for the sake of a sporting event.

    These big businesses simply don't care about these hotbutton social issues, and neither do the upper crust (including politicians) who all get a nice slice of the pie. Do you know how many people died making way for the Beijing Olympics in China? How many neighborhoods destroyed, and how many lives ruined? There was mega international pressure back then to reconsider China, but it never happened.

    I really hate the Russian government and its theocratic sectarian nutjobs who have stoked the fires of prejudice in Russia with all these anti-gay laws, but sadly, given the track record of the IOC, there's little chance it's going to be boycotted. There's just too much money to be made, and the infrastructure is already being laid.

    Actually, a lot of social justice researchers have noticed the wave of humans rights problems that follows the Olympics, the worst of which is the trade in human sex slaves, some of them minors. This kind of social injustice seems par for the course whenever the IOC comes up, at this point.

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    Re: Gay Athletes Could Be Prosecuted at 2014 Winter Olympics, Russian Lawmaker Sugges

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    looks like it will be difficult for everyone to have a gay time at the Olympics ... anyway, hopefully we will boycott if openly gay athletes can't compete ...

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    Re: Gay Athletes Could Be Prosecuted at 2014 Winter Olympics, Russian Lawmaker Sugges

    Quote Originally Posted by AuntiE View Post
    After having read all comments, I have one general question.

    Is the premise that athletes who have same gender proclivities are so lacking in self-control or discipline they are unable to restrain themselves for four weeks while in a foreign country to participate in the Olympics? Is the premise these athletes, who have worked and trained for years, are going loose focus for four weeks over this issue. It is four weeks out of years in their lives. Russia may publicly put this law out there; however, ate you all so totally benighted as to think China would not have had the same law but not so publicly stated. Russia's law may be egregious but they are a sovereign nation. Athletes at all Olympics have to follow the laws of the nation in which they are participating.
    I don't care one way or another here, it is after all just a celebration of athletic excellence every two years that only a very few get to participate in and a very few in a host country get to personally observe. But I would make two points on this:

    1) To my knowledge, gays at the Olympics are no more promiscuous or lacking in self-control than heterosexuals are at the games. It's why the games provide upwards of 100,000 condoms to the athletes, perhaps more since that's the last number I heard.

    2) It has become somewhat of a tradition that there is a "Pride House" or whatever they call it where gay athletes and their families from around the world congregate during the games and such a place likely won't be provided in Sochi.

    I believe this is simply politicians being politicians and much ado about nothing in the end and young people from around the world will congregate, do what young people generally do - have fun, drink, have sex, have more sex, make friends and go home, some with shiny medals around their necks, some without, and all having for the most part enjoyed the cultural and athletic experience.
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    Re: Gay Athletes Could Be Prosecuted at 2014 Winter Olympics, Russian Lawmaker Sugges

    Quote Originally Posted by windowdressing View Post
    looks like it will be difficult for everyone to have a gay time at the Olympics ... anyway, hopefully we will boycott if openly gay athletes can't compete ...
    From the source:
    "The IOC has received assurances from the highest level of government in Russia that the legislation will not affect those attending or taking part in the Games," the statement continued.
    The chance Russia will actually enforce the law during the Olympics approaches zero. It would be a painfully stupid move on their part.
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    Re: Gay Athletes Could Be Prosecuted at 2014 Winter Olympics, Russian Lawmaker Sugges

    Quote Originally Posted by Tovarish View Post
    *laughs* Russian people do not like homosexuals. Among the Russian people have a lot of believers. Faith condemns homosexuality. Remember what happened to Saddam and Gomorrah? In addition, homosexuality - is a mental aberration. In Russia banned propaganda of mentally disabled people. In Russia care about the health of the nation. If homosexuals do not break the law - are not touched. If molest people (especially children) - the police for them to protect, from disgruntled people. Do you really think that a boycott of the Olympics will affect the Russian people? Boycott Olympics - pinprick. The same trouble will be the United States for the next Olympics. It was already in 1980. So what? Most countries will send their teams. And given the fact that the West is turning into a third world country, those who would impose a boycott - will themselves look like idiots.
    This is probably why Russia lost the cold war and is now little more than a very large third world country. Some day they might choose to enter civilization, but apparently not yet.
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    Re: Gay Athletes Could Be Prosecuted at 2014 Winter Olympics, Russian Lawmaker Sugges

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    People who think the Olympics will be boycotted don't understand what it has become. It's a feast for multi-national corporations (of which the IOC is one), as well as for the richest people of Russia and whatever other elites can make it. It's an excuse to hand billions of dollars in public tax money to a private corporation, all for the sake of a sporting event.

    These big businesses simply don't care about these hotbutton social issues, and neither do the upper crust (including politicians) who all get a nice slice of the pie. Do you know how many people died making way for the Beijing Olympics in China? How many neighborhoods destroyed, and how many lives ruined? There was mega international pressure back then to reconsider China, but it never happened.

    I really hate the Russian government and its theocratic sectarian nutjobs who have stoked the fires of prejudice in Russia with all these anti-gay laws, but sadly, given the track record of the IOC, there's little chance it's going to be boycotted. There's just too much money to be made, and the infrastructure is already being laid.

    Actually, a lot of social justice researchers have noticed the wave of humans rights problems that follows the Olympics, the worst of which is the trade in human sex slaves, some of them minors. This kind of social injustice seems par for the course whenever the IOC comes up, at this point.
    This, this is why I still post at DP.
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