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    Re: Bradley Manning found not guilty of aiding the enemy, convicted on other charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    Good. The only thing acquitting him of aiding the enemy does is take the death penalty off the table, which I'm not against. Next up is the pursuit of Snowden. In the words of the very man they leaked their information to: "they've got it coming to them. They deserve it."
    Actually it takes life-imprisonment off the table as well and he's likely only going to get 20 years max. That's still too good for this schmuck IMO.

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    Re: Bradley Manning found not guilty of aiding the enemy, convicted on other charges

    A hundred and thirty four years. That's quite a slap on the wrist for embarrassing America. The "classified"information he leaked was already lawfully available to 2.7 million people before he revealed it.
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    Re: Bradley Manning found not guilty of aiding the enemy, convicted on other charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    A hundred and thirty four years. That's quite a slap on the wrist for embarrassing America. The "classified"information he leaked was already lawfully available to 2.7 million people before he revealed it.
    I heard this in a discussion with a colleague and I am unsure of the source, but apparently he told his direct superiors of his findings and they took no action, leaving him with the obligation to expose it.

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    Re: Bradley Manning found not guilty of aiding the enemy, convicted on other charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    Even Manning doesn't know what he leaked. He illegally copied classified documents, and had them publicly disseminated for all to see, giving not one **** what the information was, or who it hurt.
    The fact that he was declared not guilty in aiding the enemy should tell you immediately that your claim is unfounded.


    He's not a hero, he's a petty moron who acted out on a grudge from being "bullied" about his homosexuality.
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    Re: Bradley Manning found not guilty of aiding the enemy, convicted on other charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    The fact that he was declared not guilty in aiding the enemy should tell you immediately that your claim is unfounded.
    That's grounded in a lack of intentions more than anything. His actions have contributed to a resurgent Al Qaeda in Iraq.
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    Re: Bradley Manning found not guilty of aiding the enemy, convicted on other charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    The fact that he was declared not guilty in aiding the enemy should tell you immediately that your claim is unfounded.
    It tells me that they didn't want to push for the death penalty.

    Really? He told you this?
    He didn't have to.
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    Re: Bradley Manning found not guilty of aiding the enemy, convicted on other charges

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    This decision seems to imply, to me, that unintentionally aiding the enemy by knowingly releasing classified information is not the same as simply aiding the enemy. I'm not a fan of this decision, if that is indeed the case.
    It seems to me the judge was saying Manning was too stupid to understand where the information he leaked would end up, but he will be in prison for the rest of his life anyway so why does it matter if he was found not guilty on this one charge?

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    Re: Bradley Manning found not guilty of aiding the enemy, convicted on other charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    It seems to me the judge was saying Manning was too stupid to understand where the information he leaked would end up, but he will be in prison for the rest of his life anyway so why does it matter if he was found not guilty on this one charge?
    Obviously because of the precedent this case sets. It's going to affect the outcomes of any whistleblower cases that involve mass disclosure of classified information. That's why I find it hard to swallow why the judge said that intentional whole-sale release of classified information, some of which may aid the enemy, is not considered aiding the enemy.

    What if Manning hypothetically released information about an Apache's vulnerability to a SAM? That's sure as hell helping Al Qaeda, but by my understanding of this holding, that won't be considered aiding the enemy.

    Did the judge ruled Manning didn't aid the enemy because there wasn't sufficient evidence to show he actually helped them? Or was it because Manning didn't intend to do so.

    "The judge prohibited both sides from presenting evidence during trial about any actual damage the leaks caused to national security and troops in Afghanistan and Iraq, but lawyers will be allowed to bring that up at sentencing. The judge did not give any reasons for her verdict from the bench, but said she would release detailed written findings. She did not say when."

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-
    57596268/bradley-manning-facing-up-to-136-years-as-sentencing-phase-begins/


    Looks like we have to wait for perhaps the most important part of the decision.
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    Re: Bradley Manning found not guilty of aiding the enemy, convicted on other charges

    The enemy is thugs like Obama, Bush, Clinton, Reagan etc. Manning exposed their crimes and naturally the thugs want his hide.

    "Bradley Manning will be sentenced today, having been found guilty of 20 counts on Tuesday, including espionage (despite the lack of evidence for intent to spy and the lack of evidence that his leaking ever did any real harm). Whatever one thinks of Manning’s actions, that we deserved to know some of what he revealed and that his revelations changed the world are (Photo: cool revolution/ Flickr)undeniable.

    1. Manning revealed the Collateral Murder video of a helicopter attack in Iraq on mostly unarmed non-combatants (though some of those struck may have been armed), including two Reuters journalists, whose cameras were taken for weapons, and children. The army maintains that the video does not show wrongdoing, but the killing of unarmed journalists is a war crime, and the callousness of video gives an idea of what was going on in Iraq during the years of the US occupation. When the Bush administration asked the Iraqi parliament for permission to keep a base in the country, the parliamentarians said, absolutely not. The US military was forced to withdraw from Iraq by Dec. 31, 2011.

    2. Manning revealed the full extent of the corruption of Tunisian dictator Zine El Abidin Ben Ali, adding fuel to the youth protest movement of late 2010, which translated the relevant US cables into Arabic. Manning contributed to the outbreak of powerful youth movements demanding more democratic governance in the Arab world.

    3. Manning revealed to the US and Yemeni publics the secret drone war that Washington was waging in that country. That the cables show then dictator Ali Abdallah Saleh acquiescing in the US strikes on his country probably played into the movement to remove him as president, which succeeded in early 2012.

    4. He revealed that then Secretary of State Hillary Clinton ordered US diplomats to spy on their United Nations counterparts. The UN spy requests included cables that “demanded detailed intelligence on the UN leadership including forensic detail about their communications systems, including passwords and personal encryption keys,” foreshadowing later revelations of extensive US spying on even allies like Germany via the NSA.

    5. His leaks show that then Senator John Kerry pressed Israel to be open to returning the Golan Heights to Syria as part of a peace negotiation. This item suggests that Kerry might be more of an honest broker in the current negotiations than some observers give him credit for.

    6. Revealed that Afghanistan government corruption is “overwhelming”. This degree of corruption, which has shaken the whole banking system and caused US funds to be massively misused, is still a factor in our decision of whether to stay in Afghanistan in some capacity after December 2014. The US public is in a better position to judge the issue with these documents available.

    7. Manning revealed the degree of authoritarianism and corruption of the Egyptian government of Hosni Mubarak, which was subsequently swept away.

    8. Manning revealed that hard-nosed realist, former Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, was against striking Iran’s nuclear enrichment facilities because it would only slow their program down slightly, but would inevitably cause Iranians to be angry and mobilized in the aftermath.

    9. Manning revealed that the Israeli authorities had a secret plan to keep the Palestinian population of Gaza on the brink of food insecurity and poor health, in among the creepiest military operations in history: “Israeli officials have confirmed to Embassy officials on multiple occasions that they intend to keep the Gazan economy functioning at the lowest level possible consistent with avoiding a humanitarian crisis.”

    10. Manning’s act of courage encouraged hackers to leak the emails of Bashar al-Assad and his wife, showing their jewelry buys in Europe and gilded style of life while al-Assad’s artillery was pounding Homs and other cities with no regard for the lives of noncombatants. In fact, Manning inspired numerous leakers, including some who blew the whistle on PLO corruption and willingness to give away most of Jerusalem to Israel, and, likely, Edward Snowden, who revealed to us that our government has us all under surveillance."

    Top Ten Ways Bradley Manning Changed the World | Common Dreams

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    Re: Bradley Manning found not guilty of aiding the enemy, convicted on other charges

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    That's grounded in a lack of intentions more than anything. His actions have contributed to a resurgent Al Qaeda in Iraq.
    It was the actions of our state to invade a sovereign nation that did not attack that led to a surge of Al Qaeda in that country. Through lives and limbs, Iraqis continue to pay almost daily for our invasion.
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