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    Re: Obama to propose 'grand bargain' on corporate tax rate, infrastructure

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So at what point in this does Obama give anything up? He gets more tax revenue and he gets another job program all the while all the republicans get is their intelligence insulted.
    Lower taxes on corporations are indeed a republican win. Their masters will show their appreciation and throw their loyal dogs a bone or two as a reward. So republicans will benefit plenty.
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    Re: Obama to propose 'grand bargain' on corporate tax rate, infrastructure

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Wait so it has to be a 100% win for you? No bipartisanship? And you wonder why **** never gets done huh?
    Why should we have to accept another job program when Obama can't even accept actually lowering taxes?

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    Re: Obama to propose 'grand bargain' on corporate tax rate, infrastructure

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Lower taxes on corporations are indeed a republican win. Their masters will show their appreciation and throw their loyal dogs a bone or two as a reward. So republicans will benefit plenty.
    You do realize they will turn out paying more, right? Are you really that easily tricked?

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    Re: Obama to propose 'grand bargain' on corporate tax rate, infrastructure

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Why should we have to accept another job program when Obama can't even accept actually lowering taxes?
    Makes you wonder why Obama supporters continue to buy the Obama rhetoric when not one of Obama's predictions has been accurate?

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    Re: Obama to propose 'grand bargain' on corporate tax rate, infrastructure

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    He should be against that sort of legislation no matter WHO proposes it, and without having to read it. It's unConstitutional so far as I'm concerned; and unlikely to work even if it was legitimate legislation..
    Hearing you talk like you care about what is "Unconsitutional" is funny considering you are an authoritarian who would burn the Constitution if he could. Sorry, but you have no room to talk being an authoritarian that believes people shouldn't have given rights like the Constitution.

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    Re: Obama to propose 'grand bargain' on corporate tax rate, infrastructure

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Makes you wonder why Obama supporters continue to buy the Obama rhetoric when not one of Obama's predictions has been accurate?
    Maybe the GOP shouldn't have put up a lame ass like Romney. The GOP and YOU now get what you and the GOP deserve for that. Enjoy and live in the bed you and the GOP made.

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    Re: Obama to propose 'grand bargain' on corporate tax rate, infrastructure

    This proposal is gaining zero support from all members of Congress.

    As described by the WSJ, this can only be considered a bipartisan proposal if your beliefs fall into " the ideological spectrum running from Elizabeth Warren to Chuck Schumer"

    If you want a true bipartisan approach, look to Baucus and Camp

    Obama's 'Grand Bargain' Tax Plan Is Hard Sell to GOP : Roll Call Policy
    Hatch said he hoped the administration would give Senate Finance Chairman Max Baucus, D-Mont., “some breathing room” on the tax code. Baucus has been traveling the country with House Ways and Means Chairman Dave Camp, R-Mich., to make the case for a tax policy overhaul, but any chances for a comprehensive rewrite seem unlikely this Congress.
    And Obama’s push to make changes to corporate taxes only is certainly a far cry from the blank-slate approach Baucus and Camp have been trying to take toward the tax code.

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    Re: Obama to propose 'grand bargain' on corporate tax rate, infrastructure

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    What you have to understand is that unlike the Federal government, businesses have to make a profit to survive. They have to pay for all of their costs by passing their costs to consumers. They have to be competitive in their marketplace and to do that, all waste has to be eliminated. Profit isn't a dirty word. It's a goal without which no benefits are possible. It's not a crappy way to operate. It's a necessary way to operate and all businesses that survive long term operate that way. Sometimes we need to understand that we don't live in utopia.
    Standard, expected absolutist thinking from the libertarians. Again.
    There's this gap between "ideal business environment" and "nobody gets to have profit" that you seem to have missed.

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    Yes, society is more than just about profit margins. But those profit margins are the source of all of our country's wealth.
    No, they aren't. Wealth is a result of work. Cashflow, including profit margins, is transfer of that wealth, not the source of it.
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    Re: Obama to propose 'grand bargain' on corporate tax rate, infrastructure

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Wealth is a result of work. Cashflow, including profit margins, is transfer of that wealth, not the source of it.
    Let's tweak that so that it makes sense and reflects reality, shall we?

    Cashflow is not the transfer of wealth, per se. If I buy your product, I have exchanged my cash for your product. Unless your product is worthless, my wealth didn't actually decrease. If your product is a house, for example, I might be wealthier than I was before I bought your house, depending on what I paid for it compared to the value of it. Wealth isn't just money. It's all your assets; everything you own. It is your assets minus your liabilities. That's wealth.

    Cashflow can be negative or positive in regard to your wealth. So you are right... cashflow isn't the source of wealth but neither is it, necessarily, the transfer of wealth.

    If you want to know the real basis for wealth, it's this: Be good at trading and produce more than you consume. If you do that, you'll get wealthier.
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    Re: Obama to propose 'grand bargain' on corporate tax rate, infrastructure

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Hearing you talk like you care about what is "Unconsitutional" is funny considering you are an authoritarian who would burn the Constitution if he could. Sorry, but you have no room to talk being an authoritarian that believes people shouldn't have given rights like the Constitution.
    I believe that every nation needs a founding, Constitutional document, TNE. I don't believe I've ever said otherwise. What I disagree with is the seriously flawed nature of the US Constitution. One of it's major flaws is the lack of a means to ensure the document is being followed, and the ease in which it can be ignored or modified. Among it's other flaws are the lack of inclusion of the Duties and Responsibilities of a Citizen, a much clearer definition of who can be allowed to be a Citizen, and not tying those things to the ability to avail oneself of the "fights and privileges" of citizenship.

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