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    Re: Obama to propose 'grand bargain' on corporate tax rate, infrastructure

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    Obama and many in congress don't have any idea what job creation takes. They believe that job creation is a responsibility of business. The truth is that jobs are a necessary evil and one of the objects of business is to create as few as possible but meet demand. Government doesn't create jobs other than government jobs. Government doesn't care about supply and demand. They only care about creating larger budgets than the previous year.
    And what libertarians tend not to grasp is that this is a ****ty way to operate. That society is about more than just profit margins. The ideal business environment is not the ideal living environment.
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    Re: Obama to propose 'grand bargain' on corporate tax rate, infrastructure

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Of course I do, is that what Obama proposed, no strings attached? You think it is the government's role to "invest" in creating more jobs like Solyndra?
    Wait so it has to be a 100% win for you? No bipartisanship? And you wonder why **** never gets done huh?


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    Re: Obama to propose 'grand bargain' on corporate tax rate, infrastructure

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    This is a rate cut for the top bracket. It won't effect small business.
    *cough* *cough* what ever happened to claims of "class warfare"


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    Re: Obama to propose 'grand bargain' on corporate tax rate, infrastructure

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Wait so it has to be a 100% win for you? No bipartisanship? And you wonder why **** never gets done huh?
    That probably has to do with the fact that my education taught me the role of the Federal Govt. and then I had 35 years of actual real life business experience. Too bad you have been brainwashed by a failed ideology that doesn't understand the role of the govt. or how the private sector works.

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    Re: Obama to propose 'grand bargain' on corporate tax rate, infrastructure

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    And what libertarians tend not to grasp is that this is a ****ty way to operate. That society is about more than just profit margins. The ideal business environment is not the ideal living environment.
    What you have to understand is that unlike the Federal government, businesses have to make a profit to survive. They have to pay for all of their costs by passing their costs to consumers. They have to be competitive in their marketplace and to do that, all waste has to be eliminated. Profit isn't a dirty word. It's a goal without which no benefits are possible. It's not a crappy way to operate. It's a necessary way to operate and all businesses that survive long term operate that way. Sometimes we need to understand that we don't live in utopia.

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    Re: Obama to propose 'grand bargain' on corporate tax rate, infrastructure

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    And what libertarians tend not to grasp is that this is a ****ty way to operate. That society is about more than just profit margins. The ideal business environment is not the ideal living environment.
    Yes, society is more than just about profit margins. But those profit margins are the source of all of our country's wealth.

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    Re: Obama to propose 'grand bargain' on corporate tax rate, infrastructure

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    So cutting taxes on corporations will give the government more taxes to spend? As far as republicans go, Obama might go down as one of the best that has ever held the office
    If govt gets more taxes, then technically its a tax increase. Obamas plan is to lower the tax rate, and then eliminate tax deductions such that a corporation ends up paying more tax in the end. Its a trick. AND THEN he plans to spend the extra money on liberal voting blocks. Sounds like standard Democrat policy.

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    Re: Obama to propose 'grand bargain' on corporate tax rate, infrastructure

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    This is a rate cut for the top bracket. It won't effect small business.
    This is a pretty smart political trick, actually. Obama gets away with proposing something liberals HATE (lowering taxes on evil corporations) and then gets to call republicans obstructionist when they dont like it (because its a dumb way of doing something)

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    Re: Obama to propose 'grand bargain' on corporate tax rate, infrastructure

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    I wondered why we weren't discussing the "job creation" part of his Grand Bargain. That affects more people than his attempt to tax offshore accounts. And why was this proposal made at an Amazon warehouse he was visiting, instead of Congress? It doesn't sound like he is too serious about this Grand Bargain! We shall see.
    Good point. Obama doesnt know how to govern, so he goes back to the playbook and gives campaign speeches. This is where he can appear to be doing something without doing anything. He gets cheering people behind him, good media coverage, and then everyone moves on like nothing happened, other than all the pundits debate about it till the next thing comes along.

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    Re: Obama to propose 'grand bargain' on corporate tax rate, infrastructure

    So at what point in this does Obama give anything up? He gets more tax revenue and he gets another job program all the while all the republicans get is their intelligence insulted.

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