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    Re: Obama to propose 'grand bargain' on corporate tax rate, infrastructure

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    You mean the U.S. govt. of course, the project could not have been done without their money and direction.
    Their money? Do you have any idea where the Federal Govt. money comes from? That post of yours alone shows the disconnect liberals have with reality.

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    Re: Obama to propose 'grand bargain' on corporate tax rate, infrastructure

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You think the "do as I say, not as I do" President is a good leader? What is your experience in judging leadership because quite frankly Obama is the worst leader this country has ever seen and the results show it. Rather than meet with top Congressional leaders and work on bipartisanship Obama goes on vacation and plays a lot of golf while giving campaign speeches for a job he already has.

    You want to talk about Bush deficits but have no idea what you are talking about. Bush never had a trillion dollar deficit, EVER. It really is too bad that you are so partisan and full of misinformation that you cannot see how foolish you sound nor apparently do you care. How did the GOP push the car down the hill from 2007 through 2010 when Democrats controlled the gas pedal?

    Rather than try to explain something you don't understand take a civics class and get back to me.

    on Bush's deficit, keep something in mind ... when you push a car down the hill and jump out, as the GOP did, and someone else has to jump in to stop it (as Obama did), it's going to travel down the hill some before you can stop it completely, turn it around, and then have to push it back up the hill while the guys who pushed it down to begin with are pushing against you to keep it at the bottom of the hill ... the electorate understood this, too bad you don't and I can't explain it to you any better than this ...
    Your moniker suits you since you encompass the worst of cons on these threads ... Worst leader? Well, some 200+ presidential scholars would beg to differ since they had him 15th among presidents ... But what do they know, right? I, mean, they have Ph.D.s and we know know what that means in the cons' anti-intellectual world, don't we?

    I didn't think you'd get the car metaphor, but I'm sorry, I can dumb it down more than that for you ...

    I teach civics ...

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    Re: Obama to propose 'grand bargain' on corporate tax rate, infrastructure

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    The paper you posted doesn't do that and if that is what you are holding up as an example of Democrats being better on spending, you are showing your true colors and fooling yourself.

    The problem with Democrats is they don't understand economic activity and growth which is your basic problem. Democrats don't spend less. Republicans controlled the Congress from 1994-2000 and you and others claimed Clinton had a balanced budget. Who actually cut those Clinton budgets and spending? Check out the deficits in years 2004-2006 vs. 2007-2009 and see who spent less.

    Dems and other liberals are never held accountable for spending because it is spending in the name of compassion and that just makes people like you feel good.
    Yes; it does. But RepContrl graphed some of the data. Hell; the Abstract says this(!):

    "First, I find no statistically conclusive evidence that Democratic control of the federal government results in higher levels of total social spending. Additionally, my results show that Republican control of the legislature results in a higher ratio of indirect to direct social spending."

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    Re: Obama to propose 'grand bargain' on corporate tax rate, infrastructure

    Quote Originally Posted by Sisyphus View Post
    Meanwhile iguanaman, that was a bit glib. Obviously OMB has no scored it, or if it has, Obama ain't saying. The only number yet said, is $50 Billion on infrastructure.

    And here's the supply-side foolishness in it: lower corporate tax rate; lower still for manufacturing sector enterprises. Pure supply-side idiocy.

    Let's say you're Columbia Sportswear and buy in China, or the like. Will you raise your cost-to-produce, lowering your profit, merely to save some points on your taxes on profit? NO!! It would be idiotic.

    We are not competitive in unskilled manufacture. But we have companies who make products that can be manufactured here and be competitive, and will, since close-in manufacture has myriad efficiencies, not to mention stricter oversight and QC. Everyone who can make a buck manufacturing here is already here or will come here. Those who cannot will manufacture elsewhere, since the name of the game is more and not less profit. So these cuts are merely gifts in the form of more after-tax profit, at a time that profits are already at a record and companies are rife with retained earnings and cash-on-hand, which they have not and will not pay to employees they do not have to, nor hire employees they do not need, even if they can afford them. And they will not invest in an opportunity that is not there!!! It's just more money, which will be hoarded by a few, and not invested back into the economy by being spent.

    IT'S STUPID!!!!
    Liberal economics is what is stupid, raise taxes and there will be on affect on human behavior? Do you have any idea what happens to economic activity when you have less money in your paycheck? You keep living in the past and you are doomed to repeat it. You want the United States to compete in a world economy with U.S. wages and benefits along with U.S. Regulations and taxes? You do live in a dream world that doesn't exist

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    Re: Obama to propose 'grand bargain' on corporate tax rate, infrastructure

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    You mean the U.S. govt. of course, the project could not have been done without their money and direction.
    No, I mean the private companies that actually did the work. The government doesn't have any money and providing a plan for a project is hardly the same as providing everyday direction for a project. In fact, to a large degree the government is just a pest after the project gets going.

    The only thing the government really does here is contract out work to private companies and even that they don't do all that well.
    Last edited by Henrin; 07-31-13 at 06:08 PM.

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    Re: Obama to propose 'grand bargain' on corporate tax rate, infrastructure

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Their money? Do you have any idea where the Federal Govt. money comes from? That post of yours alone shows the disconnect liberals have with reality.
    The reality that govt. requires money to exist? That projects like the highway system benefits all citizens and has paid for itself many times over? It is you that has denied reality.

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    Re: Obama to propose 'grand bargain' on corporate tax rate, infrastructure

    Quote Originally Posted by Sisyphus View Post
    Yes; it does. But RepContrl graphed some of the data. Hell; the Abstract says this(!):

    "First, I find no statistically conclusive evidence that Democratic control of the federal government results in higher levels of total social spending. Additionally, my results show that Republican control of the legislature results in a higher ratio of indirect to direct social spending."
    since you have no idea what years are listed your data is skewed to the answer you want to hear. The fact is all social engineering has been administered by Democrats and you only need to look at the actual budgets to see where that spending lies. There are two parts to the budget, discretionary and non discretionary spending/entitlements so in your paper which type of spending is referenced and what control does the Congress have on those types?

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    Re: Obama to propose 'grand bargain' on corporate tax rate, infrastructure

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The reality that govt. requires money to exist? That projects like the highway system benefits all citizens and has paid for itself many times over? It is you that has denied reality.
    The highway system is funded by the gasoline taxes that you pay when you fill up. Right now that goes into the general fund like SS and Medicare income and is spent on everything other than highways. You don't have a clue what your taxes fund or where your money goes. Obama loves having people like you supporting him

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    Re: Obama to propose 'grand bargain' on corporate tax rate, infrastructure

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Spoken by someone who obviously has no concept of the line items in the budget and what your taxes fund. We don't need a 3.77 trillion dollar Federal Govt. with most of that money going to social programs. SS and Medicare along with the Payroll taxes that fund them should go off budget immediately. Excise taxes which come from gasoline purchases also need to come off budget and used for their direct purpose.

    Then shift all unemployment benefits, healthcare costs, and other social engineering programs back to the states where they belong. There would be plenty of money for the programs needed if the money was allocated properly and spent as required by the taxes established.
    Non-sequitur. Pure rhetoric. Whining about total spending without a modicum of what it's spent on.

    Classic "Conservative."

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    Re: Obama to propose 'grand bargain' on corporate tax rate, infrastructure

    Quote Originally Posted by Sisyphus View Post
    Non-sequitur. Pure rhetoric. Whining about total spending without a modicum of what it's spent on.

    Classic "Conservative."
    We're 17 Trillion in debt

    Wake up

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