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    Re: Obama to propose 'grand bargain' on corporate tax rate, infrastructure

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Does ANYONE here have a reason to be 'for' or 'against' what is about to be proposed, beyond who is proposing it? And you are calling out politicians for being suck up political hacks?
    Yes; it's a supply-side bit of foolishness that seems to think we can pay for infrastructure (vital to business too) by lowering taxes business pay. So as a Democrat and an economics-realist, I'd have to ask why Obama is channeling Jack Kemp.

    The President need to stop sucking Geithners dick and listen to economists like Reich and Steiglitz, who Clinton listened too, even if only half the time.

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    Re: Obama to propose 'grand bargain' on corporate tax rate, infrastructure

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Does ANYONE here have a reason to be 'for' or 'against' what is about to be proposed, beyond who is proposing it? And you are calling out politicians for being suck up political hacks?
    It cuts deductions. Thats why I oppose it. This bill will hurt small business.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Obama to propose 'grand bargain' on corporate tax rate, infrastructure

    Quote Originally Posted by windowdressing View Post
    not much here to respond to, as usual, but you're right, he's not very bright, is he? If he was, he'd be doing what you do all day.
    Do you know what I do all day?

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    Re: Obama to propose 'grand bargain' on corporate tax rate, infrastructure

    Quote Originally Posted by Sisyphus View Post
    Yes; it's a supply-side bit of foolishness that seems to think we can pay for infrastructure (vital to business too) by lowering taxes business pay. So as a Democrat and an economics-realist, I'd have to ask why Obama is channeling Jack Kemp.

    The President need to stop sucking Geithners dick and listen to economists like Reich and Steiglitz, who Clinton listened too, even if only half the time.
    I don't think he is talking about lowering taxes on business. He is talking about lowering rates and then attacking tax incentives and deductions. I'm sure it is a tax increase overall.

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    Re: Obama to propose 'grand bargain' on corporate tax rate, infrastructure

    Quote Originally Posted by Sisyphus View Post
    Drive on roads? Get electricity off the grid? Live safely within our borders? Use the Internet? Government buys a lot, and unless you're single and paying ~$13 grand in FIT annually, you're getting a lot without having to pay for it.
    It's kind of humorous how that entire list is not the job of the government.

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    Re: Obama to propose 'grand bargain' on corporate tax rate, infrastructure

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    The sources that matter are the U.S. Treasury Data and I don't see that referenced. Someone has tried to prove that a Democrat controlled Congress is more fiscally responsible than a Republican controlled Congress and that has yet to be proven because the data is questionable at best.
    Do a PhD thesis on it and publish your own paper if you think it's wrong. Go hog wild.

    Meanwhile, it should be obvious why Dems spend less the Reps. For Dems it's political suicide, often. Next election the Rep opposition will say he's a spender and added trillions in debt -- and it'll stick. No one will question it since the visceral sense (wrong it seems) is Dems are tax and spenders.

    Meanwhile if a Dem hopeful say the Rep running for re-election spent Billions, he'll just say he had to because those scheming Dem spend-aholics forced him with riders that would have banned motherhood and apple pie if he did not vote Yay in contrast to every fiber of his being, and the GOP voter base will buy-in to it at "hello."

    In short, Dems are held accountable for spending increases. Reps do it with impunity.

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    Re: Obama to propose 'grand bargain' on corporate tax rate, infrastructure

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    It's kind of humorous how that entire list is not the job of the government.
    Correct. They hire the private sector to do the job, which it's giddy to get. Government merely buys it for us, even if we're not paying enough in. Pretty sweet deal.

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    Re: Obama to propose 'grand bargain' on corporate tax rate, infrastructure

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Why bother waiting? It IS NOT and never has been the role of the Government to create jobs. Even when they've tried over the years, they generally fail miserably.
    You are right if you are talking about Republican administrations. They have failed miserably at job creation during their terms.

    The BGOV Barometer shows that since Democrat John F. Kennedy took office in January 1961, non-government payrolls in the U.S. swelled by almost 42 million jobs under Democrats, compared with 24 million for Republican presidents, according to Labor Department figures.
    Private Jobs Increase More With Democrats in White House - Bloomberg

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    Re: Obama to propose 'grand bargain' on corporate tax rate, infrastructure

    Quote Originally Posted by Sisyphus View Post
    Correct. They hire the private sector to do the job, which it's giddy to get. Government merely buy it for us, even if we're not paying enough in. Pretty sweet deal.
    Lol! That is obviously not what I meant.

    Anyway, they are effectively the worthless middleman doing a job anyone can do. Who the hell can't take money from people by force and then throw it at other people?

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    Re: Obama to propose 'grand bargain' on corporate tax rate, infrastructure

    Quote Originally Posted by Sisyphus View Post
    Yes; it's a supply-side bit of foolishness that seems to think we can pay for infrastructure (vital to business too) by lowering taxes business pay. So as a Democrat and an economics-realist, I'd have to ask why Obama is channeling Jack Kemp.

    The President need to stop sucking Geithners dick and listen to economists like Reich and Steiglitz, who Clinton listened too, even if only half the time.
    Actually you are wrong about the proposal. Obama would eliminate loopholes along with lowering rates so revenue would be increased for a few years. It is that extra revenue that he wants earmarked for infrastructure. Of course that is why Republicans are against it too.

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