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    Re: Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by greyhat View Post
    Why does everyone keep assuming its about THEM? Do you understand that these programs were not designed for DOMESTIC purposes??
    And yet apparently they work very nicely on US citizens.

    It is very important that we elect honorable people. It has been a long time since we have done so.

    I do not believe the people who rule us. Shall we select, randomly about 10,000 ordinary citizens to provide oversight? If 3/4ths of them agree that what we are doing is appropriate for a free people I will believe them.

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    Re: Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Unless, of course, the whole reason for having the ability is to use it.
    Depending on who and what and why. The Police, for example, have the ability to seize citizens and incarcerate them against their will, using all levels of force up to and including deadly, if necessary. They have that ability so that they will be able to use it when it is proper to do so, and if they use it when it is improper for them to do so, then they face punishment under the law - just as some low-level NSA worker would if he tried to access data banks which he has no Need To Know for, or use it to illegally collect on an American person without a warrant.

    At that point where a warrant has been sought after and given by an impartial judge then it is no longer spying. It is police work.
    That is a distinction without a difference - the activity is the exact same whatever you call it; a rose by any other name is still a rose. Furthermore, "warrant" appeared nowhere in your original statement. If you now wish to amend your claim, I'm fine with that, but you need to make it explicit.

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    Re: Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    It's best to just put OldWorldOrder on ignore. He's just here to distract from the issues at hand.
    from his language it actually appears that he knows what he's talking about.

    Little surprise people wishing to find a reason to hyperventilate about jackboots would find that a source of cognitive dissonance, and seek to cut themselves off from it.

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    Re: Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    Your incredulity aside, information on all of us is being collected without our ****ing permission.
    Wrong. Your representatives gave permission on your behalf, which is their job - to make decisions on your behalf. Vote wisely.

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    Re: Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    If there is one moment or one issue that people ought to be able to shed ideology and come together on, this is it. You can't support data mining and claim NOT to be a fascist at the same time. You just can't.
    How incredibly silly. Surely you realize the fact that the political ideology you refer to extends into the economic and social realms as well, not to mention the important distinction between passive monitoring and dictating. This sort of binary reasoning discredits your position immediately.

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    Re: Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    lol no. You can't do it without many other people knowing about it, and reporting it. If it's legal, cool. If you just tried to spy on your ex-girlfriend, you're in big trouble.
    Indeed. I know a SSgt who tried to use a collection platform to catch his wife cheating on him. He was sadly successful in doing so, and is now busy turning big rocks into little rocks (or whatever they do) in the brig.

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    Re: Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Wrong. Your representatives gave permission on your behalf, which is their job - to make decisions on your behalf. Vote wisely.
    We're free people in this country still, no? Just because a lawmaker signed off on something doesn't equate out to permission for three hundred million Americans.

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    Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    We're free people in this country still, no? Just because a lawmaker signed off on something doesn't equate out to permission for three hundred million Americans.
    It does when the majority votes for it and it becomes law- that's how a representative democracy works..

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    Re: Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    We're free people in this country still, no? Just because a lawmaker signed off on something doesn't equate out to permission for three hundred million Americans.
    No, a lone lawmaker cannot validate or halt these practices, just as a lone and self promoting employee cannot undermine legislatively approved and judicially upheld practices with any authority.

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    Re: Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by greyhat View Post
    It does when the majority votes for it and it becomes law- that's how a representative democracy works..
    Well, at least you can admit that lawmakers have made it "lawful" to spy on American citizens. What's funny is some of their faux outrages when there are revelations when they're the ones getting cash put in their coffers by the IC. And you're here, among your particular allies, condoning the whole cluster****.

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