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    Re: Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    lol??
    Was that a nervous or quizzical laugh?

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    Re: Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Intelligence oversight is a very real thing.
    I'm not aware of how intelligence oversight existing somehow makes this still not an issue. So some other arm of government signs off? So the system is so bullet proof no one can access that information without proper oversight? So no one can hack/leak the information such that others outside that oversight bubble have free reign of the data, forever? Even with inhumanly wondrous oversight, I see it being just as big of an issue. Why are people allowed to store our private data, when in other areas clearly we have very strict laws that restrict government from collecting or at least keeping our private data? It's absurd to think it's OK just because of oversight. You need to justify it with something else to be reasonable IMO.

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    Re: Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    Well you posted this.



    You seem to think abuse is possible but will immediately be stamped out so it isn't going happen.
    No, I didn't say it would be immediately stamped out. In fact, since I compared it to stealing something from a store, the implication would be otherwise.

    So my post addressed the logic behind what kind of system the NSA is using. Now you're claiming its unrealistic? I'm a software developer, you can do almost ANYTHING if you want it bad enough. If they're going through all the trouble of sifting through petabytes? of data and turning it into a useful format then they damn well have the capability to instill very strong security measures. If they are so sloppy that any one with any kind of access to the system can glean whatever information they want... that is a ridiculous security breach. That would mean counter intelligence agencies could harvest this information for themselves by compromising low level contractors like Snowden.
    Counter intel? I think you mean FIS.

    This isn't all adding up.
    If you think this needs to add up to perfection, you're right: it doesn't. It won't ever, sadly.
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    Re: Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    I'm not aware of how intelligence oversight existing somehow makes this still not an issue. So some other arm of government signs off?
    lol no. You can't do it without many other people knowing about it, and reporting it. If it's legal, cool. If you just tried to spy on your ex-girlfriend, you're in big trouble.
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    Re: Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    Was that a nervous or quizzical laugh?
    it was disbelief
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    Re: Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    lol no. You can't do it without many other people knowing about it, and reporting it. If it's legal, cool. If you just tried to spy on your ex-girlfriend, you're in big trouble.
    How would us knowing about all the private data leaked from their collection, somehow make that no longer an issue? That would be THE issue! Hey, your private records of internet and email were leaked and are on bittorrent. But because many other people know about it, and have reported it, it's all cool? What!?

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    Re: Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    No, I didn't say it would be immediately stamped out. In fact, since I compared it to stealing something from a store, the implication would be otherwise.



    Counter intel? I think you mean FIS.



    If you think this needs to add up to perfection, you're right: it doesn't. It won't ever, sadly.
    You're not adding anything to the conversation you're just saying everyone is wrong but not giving any details to support your argument whatsoever.

    How you equate non perfection with having a rudimentary oversight system is beyond me.

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    Re: Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    it was disbelief
    Your incredulity aside, everyone here recognizes that you shill for the N.S.A. and unconstitutional intelligence gathering.

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    Re: Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    Your incredulity aside, everyone here recognizes that you shill for the N.S.A. and unconstitutional intelligence gathering.
    lol? Or is that you think everything that is done is against your expert opinion?

    Or that doesn't come into play at all?
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    Re: Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    You're not adding anything to the conversation you're just saying everyone is wrong but not giving any details to support your argument whatsoever.
    What? What have you added?

    How you equate non perfection with having a rudimentary oversight system is beyond me.
    Apparently many things are beyond you?
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