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    Re: Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    It seems that Snowden was able to avoid a Hell of a lot of in controls in his 2 month tenure @ the NSA.
    Like...what?

    My impression is that controls were lax or non-existent throughout the NSA.
    Why?
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    Re: Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by jack fabulous View Post
    winner, winner! Chicken dinner!

    I've been trying to get this point across to everyone i can since the nsa story first broke. The most frightening part of all of this isn't what they are doing now, it's where it is headed. There are people, right at this very moment, who are working on technologies that will make what they are using today seem like wagon wheels and sun dials. Surveillance technology that was developed, and is in a constant state of further development, will some day be fine tuned enough to use on a macro scale. There will be, literally, a "live eye in the sky" recording every movement made by every living creature on earth at some point in the not to distant future. Ever use google earth? Add a few more pixels of resolution and facial recognition to it and walla! They can track you from the day you're born and have a database of every place you've ever been.

    We're practically there already but there are people that don't have a problem with data mining? Really?
    walla!
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    Re: Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Like...what?



    Why?
    Given the fact that he seems to have scurried away with a boatload of high level information after a 2 month tenure, that's why.
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    Re: Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    Given the fact that he seems to have scurried away with a boatload of high level information after a 2 month tenure, that's why.
    Huh? Those controls have nothing to do with him. He was never able to target anyone. He was a ****ing computer guy lol. All he knew was that the program existed. He wasn't an analyst- certainly not a collector- nor was he an administrator of either. He wasn't important. He might as well have been a cook.

    He has nothing to do with controls.
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    Re: Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Did you just ask me to prove a negative?

    I've worked in signals collection for many years. I know all about it. Think I'm lying; I don't care, you're not a senator or anything. Intelligence oversight is a very real thing.
    Shilling for the good ole N.S.A. again, I see.

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    Re: Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    It's technically very easy, but very difficult practically. You can push a button and monitor someone, yes. Then, when it comes time to audit things, a week later, you need now justify that. Analysts don't decide who to monitor, they are told. So when an analyst that just decided to monitor someone is found to have been not given direction to do so is found out, it's very bad.

    Believe me or not. It changes nothing.
    If it really is this cut and dry why wouldn't the system have safeguards in place so that you can only monitor approved parties? The supervisor could do this as they "tell" their subordinate who to monitor. They could authorize access to monitor a specific individual or groups of them. If the subordinate needed to broaden the scope they could put in a request for additional parties to be authorized to be investigated with some kind of method to justify probably cause, or a link to the original party (why they should be investigated). This would prevent somebody from just tapping in any name they want and going after them. It would also slow down or stop over broad or unreasonable snooping unless it had a decent justification.

    If this is all so sensitive and high level stuff it isn't rocket science to do it in a matter that upholds high standards. I don't think that is the case at all. I think they're a bunch of cowboys that don't give a **** and just do whatever they please without sufficient oversight.

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    Re: Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    Winner, winner! Chicken dinner!

    I've been trying to get this point across to everyone I can since the NSA story first broke. The most frightening part of all of this isn't what they are doing now, it's where it is headed. There are people, right at this very moment, who are working on technologies that will make what they are using today seem like wagon wheels and sun dials. Surveillance technology that was developed, and is in a constant state of further development, will some day be fine tuned enough to use on a macro scale. There will be, literally, a "live eye in the sky" recording every movement made by every living creature on earth at some point in the not to distant future. Ever use google earth? Add a few more pixels of resolution and facial recognition to it and walla! They can track you from the day you're born and have a database of every place you've ever been.

    We're practically there already but there are people that don't have a problem with data mining? Really?
    What we don't know is what we don't know. They could already be there. We don't know that. What we may fear tomorrow may already be in place today. I suspect that some of the fear NSA has is that Snowden has not yet given away the big secrets, whatever they might be.










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    Re: Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    Shilling for the good ole N.S.A. again, I see.
    lol??
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    Re: Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    If it really is this cut and dry why wouldn't the system have safeguards in place so that you can only monitor approved parties? The supervisor could do this as they "tell" their subordinate who to monitor. They could authorize access to monitor a specific individual or groups of them. If the subordinate needed to broaden the scope they could put in a request for additional parties to be authorized to be investigated with some kind of method to justify probably cause, or a link to the original party (why they should be investigated). This would prevent somebody from just tapping in any name they want and going after them. It would also slow down or stop over broad or unreasonable snooping unless it had a decent justification.

    If this is all so sensitive and high level stuff it isn't rocket science to do it in a matter that upholds high standards. I don't think that is the case at all. I think they're a bunch of cowboys that don't give a **** and just do whatever they please without sufficient oversight.
    Did you just propose an alternate system? Okay.

    Not sure what that has to do with reality, though.
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    Re: Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Did you just propose an alternate system? Okay.

    Not sure what that has to do with reality, though.
    Well you posted this.

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    It's not really true. It's like saying anyone can steal something from a store. Sure, you can do it, but you're gonna get in trouble.
    You seem to think abuse is possible but will immediately be stamped out so it isn't going happen. So my post addressed the logic behind what kind of system the NSA is using. Now you're claiming its unrealistic? I'm a software developer, you can do almost ANYTHING if you want it bad enough. If they're going through all the trouble of sifting through petabytes? of data and turning it into a useful format then they damn well have the capability to instill very strong security measures. If they are so sloppy that any one with any kind of access to the system can glean whatever information they want... that is a ridiculous security breach. That would mean counter intelligence agencies could harvest this information for themselves by compromising low level contractors like Snowden.

    This isn't all adding up.

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