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    Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Yes. More obstacles. Some of us are able to read the Constitution and get it.

    Some cannot and prefer the growing tyranny. Do you believe you will escape its effects? Or do you intend to be dead before the worst gets here?
    History and The Law disagree with you.

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    Re: Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

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    There is nothing stopping Congress from suing the Executive branch; Congress has standing, however if a law suit was warranted, then Congress wouldn't sue, instead they'd repeal or modify the existing laws, The AUMF for example.

    The fact that no such action has been pursued tells you that after all the huffing and puffing and grandstanding that Congress as an institution accepts these laws and the programs based on them. The House saber rattles but only because it must yield to the passions of its constituencies and their never ending need for reelection.

    Unfortunately the Public can't be as informed as it wishes without compromising methods and sources; this is why we have state secrets after all.
    Defund the offending programs.

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    Re: Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    By the way, greyhat, congresspeople weren't denied detailed information, they were looking for basic information on these programs and on FISA court rulings, which were flatly denied. They even made their own correspondence public.

    The members sitting on the IC's for both the House and Senate are backed by massive amounts of pro-surveillance funding.

    Finally, there is no recourse for action by congress aside from passing a sweeping law, since they can't pass one on the particulars, which is something that will never pass, as we've already seen. There is no oversight happening here, the IC acts as a rubber stamp for the expansion of the surveillance state.
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    Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    If it is not fixable the problem will eventually be decided through the force of arms. What a shame to see this magnificent country die without even a whimper. When you take away every legal option than all that is left is force. Isn't that why revolts occur?
    Bring it! See how long your "revolt" lasts. Sad how you see things.

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    Re: Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by greyhat View Post
    Take up arms then; see how far that takes you....what governance did you like btw?
    Do you realize what will happen if a couple of millions of us do rebel?

    First we have to toss out the SQRLS (Status Quo Republican Losers) and replace them with conservatives who will support and defend the Constitution. After we rid ourselves of the socialists in the Republican party we can go after the Marxists, progressives, liberals and socialists in the Democratic party.

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    Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    By the way, greyhat, congresspeople weren't denied detailed information, they were looking for basic information on these programs and on FISA court rulings, which were flatly denied. They even made their own correspondence public.

    The members sitting on the IC's for both the House and Senate are backed by massive amounts of pro-surveillance funding.
    General Alexander, DNI and others have properly briefed those congress people which needed to be briefed.

    Unfortunately your average Rep doesn't rank high enough to warrant such info; there is still a "need to know" basis.

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    Re: Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Some of us are able to read the Constitution and get it.
    More evidence of a basic inability to understand that personal opinions are just that.
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    Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Do you realize what will happen if a couple of millions of us do rebel?

    First we have to toss out the SQRLS (Status Quo Republican Losers) and replace them with conservatives who will support and defend the Constitution. After we rid ourselves of the socialists in the Republican party we can go after the Marxists, progressives, liberals and socialists in the Democratic party.
    If the Civil War serves as precedent then such insurrection would be squashed; I hope we never go to that and I take refuge in knowing that you and your kind are but a small minority on the fringes of reality.

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    Re: Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by greyhat View Post
    The Fourth Amendment not ambiguous? Really..? This is probably one of the most ambiguous parts of The Constitution. Take a look at it.

    You may also want to revisit your history; the US has a long standing tradition of wartime surveillance of the enemy, both foreign and domestic, and while we’re not at war with a State per se, we’re at war nonetheless (whether we should or not is besides the point).

    This tradition of intel collection goes back to our colonial times and is a practice as old as communications itself; during the Revolutionary War George Washington made frequent use of his Army's collection capabilities; he directed the interception of British mail, the opening of such documents and the exploitation of their data. You may argue that this was directed at a foreign power and that’s true, but such logic has extended to other cases; during the Civil War the Union wiretapped the Confederate’s telegraphs and I remind you, without a warrant and while targeting US persons.

    Even in more recent times such as WWI, Wilson authorized the US military to intercept telegraph, telephone and cable communications headed in and out of the US (sound familiar?); he derived this authority from The Constitution and from Congress’ declaration of war, an authorization to use military force that did not explicitly include language related to SIGINT collection methods.

    This was once again done in WWII after Pearl Harbor and one can see how such protocols exist today, in a more technologically advanced manner through the NSA’s (and other's) various programs.

    You may not like the truth for it is counterintuitive to what you believe, but the truth it is nonetheless…
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    Re: Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by greyhat View Post
    If the Civil War serves as precedent then such insurrection would be squashed; I hope we never go to that and I take refuge in knowing that you and your kind are but a small minority on the fringes of reality.
    Really. How are we doing in Afghanistan?

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