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    Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    I will predict to you that if you and yours keep it up you and your children will probably get that chance.
    Sounds like your volunteering for testing- nice.. What's with you guys and all this talk of armed insurrection? Have you never had an admin or two that you didn't like? Com'on you guys sound like real nut jobs.

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    Re: Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by greyhat View Post
    The conspiracy theories thread is elsewhere LOL


    History is absolutely chalk full of exactly what I'm talking about yet you blow it off as conspiracy. I have to really question that hat of yours. Are you the wolf or the sheep?

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    Re: Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Do you think it matters that we have tyranny by collusion? Am I any less free because there are 535 tyrants at the top instead of just one? I do not agree with Big Brother watching. I do not care that Big Brother thinks it is the thing to do.
    then fortunately for you, you live in a representative republic with periodic elections of our representatives. I would urge you to ensure that your representative, and Senator Shelby understand your position, and if they disagree with you, to attend their campaign events to ask them about it. Or, you could support primary opposition to either.


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    Re: Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    So you're saying Americans want to be spied on?
    That's what it seems like. After all, we've enshrined doemestic counter-terror and counter-criminal collection in our law for decades now. What do you want to bet that having voted for these programs does not harm the reelection chances of a single Senator or Representative?

    And you didn't answer one of my questions: Do you want our government spying on you?
    The question is poorly crafted and thus incapable of being accurately answered. There is a level of observation of my activities that I would support (for example, camera's that watch traffic) and some that I would not (for example, cameras in my bedroom).

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    Re: Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    In the information technology world it doesn't quite work this way. If you're not authorized to use a system or use a system in a certain manner you are also denied the ability. This is a fundamental tenet of security in which users are granted the minimum privileges necessary to complete their task.
    That is not necessarily correct. For example, as part of my training as a CI Analyst, I learned some interesting open-source ways to track and find out all kinds of things about people. I would be engaged in criminal collection on U.S. persons, however, were I to turn those methods to trying to track down people whom I don't like on DP.

    In a properly secured environment users of this system should only be able to access authorized resources. The idea that anyone logged on can access anything without question is absolutely absurd.
    I'm aware of need-to-know. I'm also aware that Admin has access to a lot that they don't have need to know. If Snowden was an admin tech handing out passwords, troubleshooting the network, and the like, then it is possible he had access to databanks that he had no need or right to access. I don't know enough about the program architecture to say more, only that in my (very limited) experience, it would seem plausible that someone in the admin world could gain access to caveats that they were not read into. Snowden clearly demonstrates poor understanding of the programs he has tried to out, and so the idea that he just copied some presentations and later tried to make sense of them without the background knowledge would fit the available evidence.

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    Re: Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    COSTELLO: Let's turn our attention to the phone call between Katherine Russell and her husband, Tamerlan Tsarnaev. You said something very interesting on Erin Burnett show last night. You said that if Katherine Russell does not divulge the contents of this phone call that the FBI had other methods of finding out what was said. What did you mean by that?

    CLEMENTE: Well, on the national security side of the house, in the federal government, you know, we have assets. There are lots of assets at our disposal throughout the intelligence community and also not just domestically but overseas. Those assets allow us to gain information intelligence on things that we can't use ordinarily in a criminal investigation, but are used for major terrorism investigations or counter intelligence investigations.

    COSTELLO: You're not talking about voicemail, right? What are you talking about exactly?

    CLEMENTE: I'm talking about all digital communications are -- there's a way to look at digital communications in the past. I can't go into detail of how that's done or what's done. But I can tell you that no digital communication is secure. So these communications will be found out. The conversation will be known.

    It is just a question of whether or not Katherine Russell decides to own up to what was said prior to that information being known or after the fact. It will be unfortunate for her if she doesn't own up to it completely and fully because the facts of this case, the fact of her involvement in communication with her husband will be known.
    CNN.com - Transcripts

    This was after the Boston Marathon bombing.

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    Re: Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    This is a reasonable question. I took his question to mean that you did not understand IT to mean information technology.

    There is no such possible misunderstanding about sigint. It is not an it.

    "I don't think you understand what it is." or "I don't think you understand what IT is. (He could have only been emphasizing the word it.)

    He meant information technology.
    So he says I don't understand information technology and that was fine, but I say he doesn't know SIGINT and that was bad? You're a very strange person.
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    Re: Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    It is a sickness.
    It is a sickness, you're right. When you are totally incapable of conceptualizing that someone can have a different viewpoint than your own but might not be wrong, that's very much a psychological sickness.

    You disagree with something. That's fine. That doesn't mean the system is broken or that it's time for armed insurrection. All that means is that you disagree with something. Learn to manage your emotions.
    The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of Conservatives is to prevent mistakes from being corrected.
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    Re: Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by greyhat View Post
    The system isn't broken; what's broken are the archaic ideas you based your analysis on. Failure to evolve works against you in nature, and so does it in war.
    Eventually you had to out yourself. Thanks for that. The archaic idea is the Constitution. It was brilliant when hammered out and, had we continued to live with a government constrained by it, we would be in far better shape today.

    Nearly all of evolution ends in failure.

    In war we look back to Thuycidies, to Sun Tzu, to Machiavelli, to Jomini, to Clauswitz, to Mahan, and to many others. We study Alexander's campaigns, we look into the accounts of many battles, some very old and some still fresh with the smell of blood, broken flesh, urine and feces. We look back because human nature has not changed. We look back to better help us identify the challenges we may face in the future.

    The reality is that The AUMF (and The PATRIOT Act) which serves as the legal basis for many of these activities is legal- you may not like it [now], but don't forget OUR government created and approved these laws by an overwhelming majority. Although I need not remind you that SIGINT is an intel discipline as old as communications.
    A law created for one purpose is expanded to fulfill an illegal purpose. Is that law still the same law? Do you believe that tyranny by our government is to be preferred over a tyranny perpetrated upon us by a more foreign government?

    If you swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution why have you broken your oath?

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    Re: Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    So he says I don't understand information technology and that was fine, but I say he doesn't know SIGINT and that was bad? You're a very strange person.
    You have a history of aggressive, overbearing posts. I responded to one of them.

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