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    Re: Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records | Fox News

    So how do you feel about this? Do you think that this dragnet that ensnares us all is necessary and just? How about Constitutional? Does it make you feel safer? What is the natural progression from here?
    It is wrong. It is well beyond the bounds of the constitution and even the unconstitutional patriot act. I never felt at risk from terrorists, even having lived within distance to see the smoke from the trade centers. The natural progression is the power structure will seek to defend their new powers and given they seem to have written judicial review out of the picture it will only get worse. The people should fight it but probably won't because it will not be seen to effect them if the government knows they look at a lot of porn. Any instances where people get wrongly harmed by this BS will be considered by most to not be dangerous to them because they will feel they are unlikely to ever get on the government's bad side, and things will get worse because people will not push back strongly enough.

    Let us hope i am wrong about that last part.

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    Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    It's not really true. It's like saying anyone can steal something from a store. Sure, you can do it, but you're gonna get in trouble.
    Prove it is not true.
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    Re: Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    Prove it is not true.
    Did you just ask me to prove a negative?

    I've worked in signals collection for many years. I know all about it. Think I'm lying; I don't care, you're not a senator or anything. Intelligence oversight is a very real thing.
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    Re: Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Did you just ask me to prove a negative?

    I've worked in signals collection for many years. I know all about it. Think I'm lying; I don't care, you're not a senator or anything. Intelligence oversight is a very real thing.
    That's just what I figured - nothing but smoke.
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    Re: Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    That's just what I figured - nothing but smoke.
    lol, right
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    Re: Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    lol, right
    No, seriously - can it be done or not?

    You indicated that it was not possible - the OP said that it could.

    Where is the reality in all of this?

    I see the answer as one of these options:

    1) Snooping is that easy

    2) Snooping is very difficult

    3) Yea, it is easy, and should require a warrant, but many just don't worry about the warrant

    4) Yes, snooping is easy, does require a warrant, and agencies usually always follow the law

    Which one is it?
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    Re: Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    No, seriously - can it be done or not?

    You indicated that it was not possible - the OP said that it could.

    Where is the reality in all of this?

    I see the answer as one of these options:

    1) Snooping is that easy

    2) Snooping is very difficult

    3) Yea, it is easy, and should require a warrant, but many just don't worry about the warrant

    4) Yes, snooping is easy, does require a warrant, and agencies usually always follow the law

    Which one is it?
    It's technically very easy, but very difficult practically. You can push a button and monitor someone, yes. Then, when it comes time to audit things, a week later, you need now justify that. Analysts don't decide who to monitor, they are told. So when an analyst that just decided to monitor someone is found to have been not given direction to do so is found out, it's very bad.

    Believe me or not. It changes nothing.
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    Re: Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Wow, imagine if one's supervisor, or the person doing the "auditing" were Eric Holder or Dick Cheney. Smooth sailing, eh?

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    Re: Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    It's technically very easy, but very difficult practically. You can push a button and monitor someone, yes. Then, when it comes time to audit things, a week later, you need now justify that. Analysts don't decide who to monitor, they are told. So when an analyst that just decided to monitor someone is found to have been not given direction to do so is found out, it's very bad.

    Believe me or not. It changes nothing.
    It seems that Snowden was able to avoid a Hell of a lot of in controls in his 2 month tenure @ the NSA.

    My impression is that controls were lax or non-existent throughout the NSA.
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    Re: Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
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    So how do you feel about this? Do you think that this dragnet that ensnares us all is necessary and just? How about Constitutional? Does it make you feel safer? What is the natural progression from here?
    Winner, winner! Chicken dinner!

    I've been trying to get this point across to everyone I can since the NSA story first broke. The most frightening part of all of this isn't what they are doing now, it's where it is headed. There are people, right at this very moment, who are working on technologies that will make what they are using today seem like wagon wheels and sun dials. Surveillance technology that was developed, and is in a constant state of further development, will some day be fine tuned enough to use on a macro scale. There will be, literally, a "live eye in the sky" recording every movement made by every living creature on earth at some point in the not to distant future. Ever use google earth? Add a few more pixels of resolution and facial recognition to it and walla! They can track you from the day you're born and have a database of every place you've ever been.

    We're practically there already but there are people that don't have a problem with data mining? Really?

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