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    Re: Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Why you assume that? Why do you think that just because you think something, everyone else shares that viewpoint and/or it must be objectively true?
    Well, they're in cahoots with the IC, for one. Objectively, that isn't good for the American people. Specifically on the left, you have lawmakers that don't particularly care about Benghazi or the I.R.S. targeting - and on the right, you have lawmakers trying repeatedly to abolish the ACA, don't care about disadvantaged Americans and hold the livelihood of this country at hostage in the attempt to score some political points/maneuvering. Collectively, they've tied us through legislation to Israel for an attack on Iran and condone the wholesale bulk collection of American information via the phone or the Internet.

    You were saying?

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    Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    Well, they're in cahoots with the IC, for one. Objectively, that isn't good for the American people. Specifically on the left, you have lawmakers that don't particularly care about Benghazi or the I.R.S. targeting - and on the right, you have lawmakers trying repeatedly to abolish the ACA, don't care about disadvantaged Americans and hold the livelihood of this country at hostage in the attempt to score some political points/maneuvering. Collectively, they've tied us through legislation to Israel for an attack on Iran and condone the wholesale bulk collection of American information via the phone or the Internet.

    You were saying?
    Define IC- I'm interested in what you mean.

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    Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    lol, the people that have talked about revolution because their particular reading of the constitution (they hate when I don't capitalize it) hasn't been supported are real quiet about that.
    Lol I know huh. The biggest irony is that Al-Awlaki would blow them up while they sit around defending his "rights" LMFAOL!

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    Re: Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    Well, they're in cahoots with the IC, for one.
    Who? Anyone that disagrees with you? Okay, that's crazy but also just supposition, because you're not even claiming someone told you that. So crazy supposition

    Objectively, that isn't good for the American people.
    So now something based upon a crazy supposition is just decidedly "not good" for all American people. Okay.

    Specifically on the left, you have lawmakers that don't particularly care about Benghazi or the I.R.S. targeting
    Okay, random partisan talking points.

    and on the right, you have lawmakers trying repeatedly to abolish the ACA, don't care about disadvantaged Americans and hold the livelihood of this country at hostage in the attempt to score some political points/maneuvering.
    And more, to cover all bases. Beautiful.

    Collectively, they've tied us through legislation to Israel for an attack on Iran
    No something that has nothing to do with anything, cool.

    and condone the wholesale bulk collection of American information via the phone or the Internet.
    And there it goes, it's all wrapped up in a neat little package.

    You were saying?
    Before you went on your certifiably insane rant, I was asking why you assumed anyone that disagreed with you must be totally wrong. I was asking why you were convinced that you and only you had a legitimate viewpoint. Why you were unable to even fathom the idea that someone could think differently from you without being totally wrong.

    You answered the question, don't worry.
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    Re: Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by greyhat View Post
    Don't be an enemy combatant and you won't get turned into pink dust by a drone!

    I'd personally press the "fire button" and blow up any Joe Schmo that takes arms against the USA.
    Call me old fashioned, by I like to see people put on trial before we punish or kill them.

    Jude Kenan Mohammad "had no known ties to terrorists."


    Samir Khan "began to help violent jihadist groups online, using his skills on the Web. He seemed to be operating on his own and didn't appear to be tied to any terrorist group.

    In 2009, Khan left home for Yemen and became a part of al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. It was here, again using his computer and literary skills, that Khan started "Inspire," the influential online jihadist magazine."

    Without more details it is impossible to determine whether he was actually aiding terrorists as claimed or just engaging in first amendment protected expression.

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    Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Call me old fashioned, by I like to see people put on trial before we punish or kill them.

    Jude Kenan Mohammad "had no known ties to terrorists."


    Samir Khan "began to help violent jihadist groups online, using his skills on the Web. He seemed to be operating on his own and didn't appear to be tied to any terrorist group.

    In 2009, Khan left home for Yemen and became a part of al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. It was here, again using his computer and literary skills, that Khan started "Inspire," the influential online jihadist magazine."

    Without more details it is impossible to determine whether he was actually aiding terrorists as claimed or just engaging in first amendment protected expression.
    Old Fashioned? Please; under the rules of war they were enemy combatants and got what they deserved. This isn't a criminal case btw.

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    Re: Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Who? Anyone that disagrees with you? Okay, that's crazy but also just supposition, because you're not even claiming someone told you that. So crazy supposition

    So now something based upon a crazy supposition is just decidedly "not good" for all American people. Okay.

    Okay, random partisan talking points.

    And more, to cover all bases. Beautiful.

    No something that has nothing to do with anything, cool.

    And there it goes, it's all wrapped up in a neat little package.

    Before you went on your certifiably insane rant, I was asking why you assumed anyone that disagreed with you must be totally wrong. I was asking why you were convinced that you and only you had a legitimate viewpoint. Why you were unable to even fathom the idea that someone could think differently from you without being totally wrong.

    You answered the question, don't worry.
    More handwaving out of you, as well ad homs. And you talk about crazy suppositions? LOL.
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    Re: Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    No direct damage is done, I was pointing out the power of this technology.
    It certainly is powerful technology. No longer can people who wish to do harm to us hide in the shadows. But I think that the belief that this particular technology is damaging to privacy is simply anti-government rhetoric. The technology already exists and has existed outside of the government for decades, yet people are up in arms about this just now? The technology that is in fact broadcasting our information to people we don't know has all been engineered by the civilian populus and made popular by people who voluntarily use it. As such, has utility and the advantages to that utility obviously far outweigh the risk to our privacy. Otherwise, this technology would not be as popular as it is. In fact, the technology has brought about some of the greatest revolutions of our time which are happening in our midsts that would have never happened otherwise. This technology has put fear into dictatorial governments that would have otherwise sent their military bearing down on its protesting population. Overall, this technology has not ben used for bad things, it has been overwhelmingly been used for the good.



    I willingly trade off convenience and entertainment for some privacy, but I have limits on the amount and type of information I am willing to provide.
    Thats fine, you have the option to use or not use that technology.

    Anyone with a bit of money and/or power is of potential interest to others. People may want to influence you, destroy you, use your credit card, blackmail you and empty your bank account. I am not saying the government wants to do that, but some individuals do, and a few could get jobs with access to this data.
    Again, this technology does not work in a vacuum. If in fact these things do start occurring they will quickly be exposed due to the very technology that allowed his information to be compromised. There are already laws against stealing personal information.

    It usually takes years of hard work to expose governmental abuses such as COINTELPRO. The new technology makes it far easier for elements in the government to misuse its information resources and easier to hide it.
    And now it will only take minutes.....

    Using this technology to locate and execute U.S.A. citizens without a bothering with a trial and conviction is a pretty big abuse in my opinion.
    How many regular joe blow US citizens have been walking down the street and randomly been blown up by a drone? Are we not streatching things a bit here in order to create an environment of fear. Camon.. Lets use some logic here instead of fearmongering. Many of your fellow cohorts state that the US uses fearmongering in order to build a case for its geopolitical interests, but yet they use fearmongering themselves in order to push their political interests as well.

    There is a lot temptation for the people who can access this information technology to use it for financial or political gain, career advantages or revenge.
    Sure, and I am sure it will happen. But as I have mentioned, if the technology exists to commit this crime, then the technology exists to catch these criminals. Instead of religating this technology to those who will secretly use it because it is condemned and can only be used unknowingly, we should do the opposite and embrace it so that it at least is out in the open and we can create laws to punish those who use it irresponsibly.

    Perhaps, but those who own or control this technology can always take it away or change it when they need to.
    They are going to do that either way. No amount of protesting it will keep it from being developed or used.
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    Re: Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by greyhat View Post
    Define IC- I'm interested in what you mean.
    Intelligence Community.

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    Re: Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by greyhat View Post
    Old Fashioned? Please; under the rules of war they were enemy combatants and got what they deserved. This isn't a criminal case btw.
    One of them did nothing to deserve being killed. His killing was probably a mistake.

    Another one arguably didn't either, since he was NOT active as a terrorist, he was a propagandist. (Samir Kahn)

    The other two were not on a battlefied, were not in a country we declared war on, and were not engaged in battle when assassinated by remote control.

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