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    Re: Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    This. Ability to abuse does not mean authorized to abuse.

    For example, as a Marine I've been taught to find and then kill people. I could abuse that by going and hunting people I happen to not like, or who I just think have it coming, or heck, who were wearing the wrong color shirt.

    And then I would go to prison if I didn't get executed.


    Given that - as an government employee - every friggin keystroke you make on a government computer is taggable, I'm betting just going in unauthorized and starting too look up the email traffic of the brother-in-law you don't particularly like is going to get you nabbed fairly quickly.
    In the information technology world it doesn't quite work this way. If you're not authorized to use a system or use a system in a certain manner you are also denied the ability. This is a fundamental tenet of security in which users are granted the minimum privileges necessary to complete their task.

    Principle of least privilege - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    In a properly secured environment users of this system should only be able to access authorized resources. The idea that anyone logged on can access anything without question is absolutely absurd.

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    Re: Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    In the information technology world it doesn't quite work this way. If you're not authorized to use a system or use a system in a certain manner you are also denied the ability. This is a fundamental tenet of security in which users are granted the minimum privileges necessary to complete their task
    This isn't about IT, it's about signals collection.
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    Re: Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    This isn't about IT, it's about signals collection.
    I don't think you understand what IT is.

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    Re: Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by greyhat View Post
    You guys keep calling it a domestic program- how ignorant and narcissistic - everyone keeps assuming THEY are the target. Really?!?? The NSA guards this info better than Ft Knox.
    Yet "low-level" employees can access any resources indiscriminately? Are you saying the article is complete bs then?

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    Re: Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    I had a friend who worked for "the phone company" in the 80's and I learned that the random phone company employee, could simply tap into any random phone conversation, and listen ( a bit of voyeur going on here... ) but its technologically possible and maybe the powers that B have implemented safeguards so that low-level minions can not listen in on anything at this time, but I don't know that for certain. The feature of all this that I have a problem with, is the "peer pressure" level suppression of dissent, you see, if I announce to my social group that I KNOW that 9/11/2001 = FALSE FLAG ATTACK, there is bound to be a bit of apprehension on the part of my social group because of the media spewing out "news" like the perpetrators of various disasters recently had been 9/11 "truthers" and so we really must watch these crazy people lest they become a problem.
    This sort of thing has been played out before and to cite just one example, the Nazi regime kept stacks of punched cards to keep track of citizens who may become a problem to the Government.

    The people of AMERICA need to understand that this is NOT an anomaly or anything of the sort, its an attempt to silence dissent. WE THE PEOPLE need to be able to express ourselves, otherwise AMERICA is in deep do-do! Get the picture?

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    Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    Yet "low-level" employees can access any resources indiscriminately? Are you saying the article is complete bs then?
    Define low level employee at NSA. Define indiscriminately.

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    Re: Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Depending on who and what and why. The Police, for example, have the ability to seize citizens and incarcerate them against their will, using all levels of force up to and including deadly, if necessary. They have that ability so that they will be able to use it when it is proper to do so, and if they use it when it is improper for them to do so, then they face punishment under the law - just as some low-level NSA worker would if he tried to access data banks which he has no Need To Know for, or use it to illegally collect on an American person without a warrant.

    That is a distinction without a difference - the activity is the exact same whatever you call it; a rose by any other name is still a rose. Furthermore, "warrant" appeared nowhere in your original statement. If you now wish to amend your claim, I'm fine with that, but you need to make it explicit.
    I will stick with what I said. Take another look at your Constitution. You do not get to spy on me.

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    Re: Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    That is correct. Representatives from the broadest possible political swathe of the electorate have all signed off on this program, as have all three branches of government. You wanted checks, balances, separation of powers? It's all there. Feel free to try to figure out a system that would do better.
    Do you think it matters that we have tyranny by collusion? Am I any less free because there are 535 tyrants at the top instead of just one? I do not agree with Big Brother watching. I do not care that Big Brother thinks it is the thing to do.

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    Re: Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by greyhat View Post
    Americans want security and thru their government have voted for it; all these programs, whether YOU like them or not, are legal.
    Are you making the argument that tyranny is okay as long as a majority of 535 people agree to it?

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    Re: Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    The people they voted into office did. That's the way this system of governance works. If you don't like this system, you can try to change it or move.
    Nonsense. When I voted for my representative, Mr. Mo Brooks, I did not tell him to please, please, please spy on me. I did not say that I wanted to live under 535 tyrants.

    Are you not making the case that we are not fit to be free?

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