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Pope Francis on gays: `Who am I to judge?'[W:65,239]

Top Cat said:
You hang your hat on a book of fairy tales no less.
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If you want to debate the existence of God and the credibility of The Bible, then by all means, go create a thread doing that. This thread is about The Pope's views however and what The Bible specifically states about homosexuality.

Top Cat said:
I know full well what is taught. I also know it's all bull****.
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Tell me what it says then.
 
Bronson said:
If you want to debate the existence of God and the credibility of The Bible, then by all means, go create a thread doing that. This thread is about The Pope's views however and what The Bible specifically states about homosexuality.
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I'm sure somewhere you have a point.


Bronson said:
Tell me what it says then.
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I haven't disputed what you claim it says. I simply called the content a bunch of BS. surely you can grasp that.
 
Top Cat said:
I'm sure somewhere you have a point.




I haven't disputed what you claim it says. I simply called the content a bunch of BS. surely you can grasp that.
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If you believe it's "BS" that's your business. That's not what this thread is about however.

Go ahead and cite the passages in the bible that talk about homosexual sex. Nevermind, I'll do it for you.

Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.
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Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them"
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1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
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Rom. 1:26-28, "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper."
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The gay lifestyle will never be accepted into the Church. I know a lot of people are thinking the pope is going to change things but he's not. If he tries than he's a false prophet. A false pope.

Anyways good luck with whatever point you are trying to make :2wave:
 
Bronson said:
If you believe it's "BS" that's your business. That's not what this thread is about however.

Go ahead and cite the passages in the bible that talk about homosexual sex. Nevermind, I'll do it for you.









The gay lifestyle will never be accepted into the Church.:
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Of course it won't. Consider the source. And its members.
 
Bronson said:
It's not debatable. The Bible is QUITE clear. No wiggle room.

Engaging in homosexual sex IS a sin and an abomination.



You keep acting like this is about me. Try that tactic with someone else who will take the bait. Judgement is between the sodomite and God. I also find it amusing that the people whining about "judging others" have done nothing in this thread except engage in emotional reasoning to judge me. :lol:

There is no such thing as a "homosexual instinct" in animals. Animals engage in that type of behavior for a variety of different reasons, primarily for dominance. Not because of emotions or the will to procreate. A child cannot be conceived from gay sex. That's just science and nature pal. You DO believe in science don't you?

The Bible is quite clear. Engaging in homosexual sex is a sin and an abomination.

This thread is about The Pope and specifically the church's view on homosexuality. If you want to attack people for following God's Laws then go create that thread and have at it.
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Such clarity is seldom accurate. I can and have listed difference of opinion from bible scholars. Surely they have a reason as to why they're not as certain as you. Remember, the beginning of wisdom is I don't know and not I'm certain.
 
Boo Radley said:
Such clarity is seldom accurate. I can and have listed difference of opinion from bible scholars. Surely they have a reason as to why they're not as certain as you. Remember, the beginning of wisdom is I don't know and not I'm certain.
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The opposite of faith is not doubt but certainty. In other words, it takes faith not to know, as in, I don't know the Mind of God. When the Christians figure that out the world will be a much better place to live in. I think the new Pope has leanings that way.
 
TiredOfLife said:
The opposite of faith is not doubt but certainty. In other words, it takes faith not to know, as in, I don't know the Mind of God. When the Christians figure that out the world will be a much better place to live in. I think the new Pope has leanings that way.
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Nicely stated. :applaud:applaud
 
Boo Radley said:
Such clarity is seldom accurate. I can and have listed difference of opinion from bible scholars. Surely they have a reason as to why they're not as certain as you. Remember, the beginning of wisdom is I don't know and not I'm certain.
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What bible scholars refute Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13, 1 Corinthians 6:9–10 and Romans 1:26–28? Name them. I certainly have never heard of any of these people. It's certainly isn't The Catholic Church refuting any of these passages. "Bible Scholars" are not the definitive source in regards to Word of God anyways. They aren't lawyers who get to interpret his laws the way they see fit.

Jesus also spoke of the sanctity of marriage being between a man and a woman. He spoke multiple times about Sodom and Gamorrah, where homosexual behavior was running rampant and one of the primary reasons why that city was destroyed. If you don't want to believe in God and you hate The Bible, like I keep saying, that's your business, but The Bible is very clear when it comes to homosexuality. It's a sin and an abomination. Whether it hurts your feelings or not is irrelevant. That's God's Law.

This thread is about The Pope's views on homosexuality. The Pope's views = The Catholic Church's views. The Catholic Church's views on homosexuality have not changed and will not ever change. Got it now? Great. Take care. :2wave:
 
Bronson said:
What bible scholars refute Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13, 1 Corinthians 6:9–10 and Romans 1:26–28? Name them. I certainly have never heard of any of these people. It's certainly isn't The Catholic Church refuting any of these passages. "Bible Scholars" are not the definitive source in regards to Word of God anyways. They aren't lawyers who get to interpret his laws the way they see fit.

Jesus also spoke of the sanctity of marriage being between a man and a woman. He spoke multiple times about Sodom and Gamorrah, where homosexual behavior was running rampant and one of the primary reasons why that city was destroyed. If you don't want to believe in God and you hate The Bible, like I keep saying, that's your business, but The Bible is very clear when it comes to homosexuality. It's a sin and an abomination. Whether it hurts your feelings or not is irrelevant. That's God's Law.

This thread is about The Pope's views on homosexuality. The Pope's views = The Catholic Church's views. The Catholic Church's views on homosexuality have not changed and will not ever change. Got it now? Great. Take care. :2wave:
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I have linked them and pointed you to them.

Do remember, hubris leads to the fall.
 
Bronson said:
It's not debatable. The Bible is QUITE clear. No wiggle room.

Engaging in homosexual sex IS a sin and an abomination.
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I bet the clothing that you are wearing right now is also considered an abomination by the same bible. No wiggle room right?

I suppose you also don't eat shellfish?
 
There is a difference between the Old and New Testaments.
 
What the scholars know that the believers don't - the Bible is a book of men seeking God not the other way around. If you get it wrong you believe in all sorts of nonsense, and then try to make Public Policy by it.
 
Bronson said:
What bible scholars refute Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13, 1 Corinthians 6:9–10 and Romans 1:26–28? Name them. I certainly have never heard of any of these people. It's certainly isn't The Catholic Church refuting any of these passages. "Bible Scholars" are not the definitive source in regards to Word of God anyways. They aren't lawyers who get to interpret his laws the way they see fit.

Jesus also spoke of the sanctity of marriage being between a man and a woman. He spoke multiple times about Sodom and Gamorrah, where homosexual behavior was running rampant and one of the primary reasons why that city was destroyed. If you don't want to believe in God and you hate The Bible, like I keep saying, that's your business, but The Bible is very clear when it comes to homosexuality. It's a sin and an abomination. Whether it hurts your feelings or not is irrelevant. That's God's Law.

This thread is about The Pope's views on homosexuality. The Pope's views = The Catholic Church's views. The Catholic Church's views on homosexuality have not changed and will not ever change. Got it now? Great. Take care. :2wave:
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Thought I'd give you a link while I had time:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls...ts-ground-against-gay-agenda-w-743-a-130.html

work backwards from here. This is just the last link I presented.
 
Bronson said:
The Bible is quite clear
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Homosexual sex = A sin and an abomination

That's not my opinion. That's a fact.



Whether you want to believe in God or not is your business. The Bible is QUITE clear however. Engaging in homosexual sex acts is a sin and an abomination.



If you want to debate the existence of God, feel free to create another thread.
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The Bible has no legal standing in the USA. Here we go by the United States Constitution.




"The Government of the United States is in no sense founded on the Christian religion." ~ John Adams, 2nd President of the United States
 
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