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Pope Francis on gays: `Who am I to judge?'[W:65,239]

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davidtaylorjr said:
Jesus repeatedly said to go and sin no more. Never let people continue in their sin...... Just saying.

I am not saying Jesus is not compassionate towards sinners, never said that actually, what I AM saying is that he did not ignore their sin as many people here at DP try to assert incorrectly. He said to go and sin no more.

He did not have to list every sin, and the notion that Jesus had to list every sin is quite frankly idiotic. He didn't list Child Porn either or Rape, does that make those sins ok?
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funny coming from a very conservative person. they are usually the ones that tell us that if something isn't specifically listed out in the constitution 200 years ago then it is unconstitutional today. and as for the notion being idiotic... Jesus was rather plain spoken and generally did a good job of not mincing words... which is what pissed people off at him back then... so no, not that idiotic.
 
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davidtaylorjr said:
There is a difference between being a Pharisee who did much more than call out sins, they imposed new laws on people that were not taught in the Bible in order to retain their power, there is a huge difference between that and pointing out blatant sin.
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Isn't it time for your daily vigil at Red Lobster warning people of the abominations they are committing?
 
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poweRob said:
funny coming from a very conservative person. they are usually the ones that tell us that if something isn't specifically listed out in the constitution 200 years ago then it is unconstitutional today. and as for the notion being idiotic... Jesus was rather plain spoken and generally did a good job of not mincing words... which is what pissed people off at him back then... so no, not that idiotic.
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There is more to the Bible than the words in the red ink......
 
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Gardener said:
Isn't it time for your daily vigil at Red Lobster warning people of the abominations they are committing?
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Flaming will not be tolerated and i have reported the comment. And I have addressed with you, and others, on this forum the difference between the sacrificial/dietary laws and moral laws.
 
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Boo Radley said:
God bless him.
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This Pope consistently defends pedophile behaviors. As per 60 minutes last night, the archbishop of Seattle freely admits his 5-year directive from the Pope is to stamp out the "Nun revolution". His committee is the same as the one overseeing the Inquisition.
 
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davidtaylorjr said:
There is more to the Bible than the words in the red ink......
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sure. if you dont much care about what Jesus said. seems to me that if you are a follower of Christ then that red ink is by FAR the most important words in the bible. in my experience, most Christians couldn't tell you much of anything Christ was trying to teach people. they are only concerned with his birth and death sans a couple miracles here and there. when it comes to modern Christians engaging in political conversations, one tends to find Jesus thrown under the bus simply because they much prefer the fire and brimstone is the old testament because it allows them to feel holy while they throw those hefty rocks at everyone from their glass houses/chrystal cathedrals.
 
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poweRob said:
sure. if you dont much care about what Jesus said. seems to me that if you are a follower of Christ then that red ink is by FAR the most important words in the bible. in my experience, most Christians couldn't tell you much of anything Christ was trying to teach people. they are only concerned with his birth and death sans a couple miracles here and there. when it comes to modern Christians engaging in political conversations, one tends to find Jesus thrown under the bus simply because they much prefer the fire and brimstone is the old testament because it allows them to feel holy while they throw those hefty rocks at everyone from their glass houses/chrystal cathedrals.
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Did I say I don't care about what Jesus said? No, that is your spin of what I said, not reality. What I said was, His words are not the only words in the Bible. His job was not to list each specific sin, He didn't mention rape afterall, did He mention incest? No, but I think you would agree those are wrong too....
 
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NIMBY said:
This Pope consistently defends pedophile behaviors. As per 60 minutes last night, the archbishop of Seattle freely admits his 5-year directive from the Pope is to stamp out the "Nun revolution". His committee is the same as the one overseeing the Inquisition.
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I'd appreciate your providing a little evidence to support your claim that this Pope "consistently defends pedophile behaviors." Then maybe you can explain what the "Nun revolution"--whatever that is--has to do with pedophilia. Godwin points for bringing up the Inquisition, though. :roll:
 
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As for who he is to judge, hopefully the new Pope will realize he is the ultimate judge within his organization of those priests who molested altar boys, and he'll take less of a detached agnostic stance on judging the hell and Catholic Church association out of them!
 
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nota bene said:
I'd appreciate your providing a little evidence to support your claim that this Pope "consistently defends pedophile behaviors." Then maybe you can explain what the "Nun revolution"--whatever that is--has to do with pedophilia. Godwin points for bringing up the Inquisition, though. :roll:
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None of us have time for being challenged to provide your laundry list. This Pope was defending pedophile priests during his first week. Now that you have heard me say it, you'll hear and read it for yourself with little effort.

The "Nun revolution" is certainly something sweeping the Country and religion. Try yesterday's 60 minutes, all straightforward interviews.

No connection was made by me between the Nuns and pedophile priests. I'll use separate paragraphs for everyone's pleasure in the future.
 
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Bronson said:
Doesn't change the fact that homosexual sex is a sin and an abomination

Hate the sin. Not the sinner.
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Just an abomination, in the same breath that wearing linen and wool (picture TV evangelist in shirt and wool suit) and planting your field with mingled seed (picture flower garden or vegetable patch) are also abominations. The three are mentioned in unison, and the Christo-Hypocrites, hating the "sinners," can easily consider two of them in an historical context (silly today) but not the third one.

Patently ridiculous, and merely hiding bigotry behind religion.
 
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Bronson said:
Doesn't change the fact that homosexual sex is a sin and an abomination

Hate the sin. Not the sinner.
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And of course Christians, in particular Catholics do such a fantastic job at that.

Oh wait.
 
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Isn't "hating" pretty much un-christian?

Quite a major difference between "hate" and "not forgiving".

Isn't there?

And forgiving the sinner means not "crucifying" the person.

And I guarantee that the VAST majority of straight people are just as big-a sinner as any gay person is.
 
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davidtaylorjr said:
Flaming will not be tolerated and i have reported the comment. And I have addressed with you, and others, on this forum the difference between the sacrificial/dietary laws and moral laws.
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NIMBY said:
This Pope consistently defends pedophile behaviors. As per 60 minutes last night, the archbishop of Seattle freely admits his 5-year directive from the Pope is to stamp out the "Nun revolution". His committee is the same as the one overseeing the Inquisition.
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And that's wrong. But on this issue, he was close to being right. Besides, who needs God more than terrible sinners?
 
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davidtaylorjr said:
The point that most people who scream tolerance forget. It isn't about the homosexual, it is about homosexuality and the fact that it is sin.
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Actually, the point is that most people who scream at others are attacking the mote in someone else's eye, while ignoring the beam in their own eye.
 
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danarhea said:
Actually, the point is that most people who scream at others are attacking the mote in someone else's eye, while ignoring the beam in their own eye.
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Not exactly...
 
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Gardener said:
Isn't it time for your daily vigil at Red Lobster warning people of the abominations they are committing?
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But God DOES hate shrimp. It says so, right in the Bible. Do not make light of that fact, or you will fry in Hell.**

**Most likely in vegetable oil, after being lightly breaded and coated with a beer batter.
 
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davidtaylorjr said:
The point that most people who scream tolerance forget. It isn't about the homosexual, it is about homosexuality and the fact that it is sin.
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Actually, the point people to seem to forget is that Pope Benedict's directive to prohibit homosexuals from entering the priesthood has no foundation in the theology of the Church. Despite the oft repeated defense on the part Christians, Catholics in-particular; it is about the homosexual in the practical application of that phrase. The blanket exclusion of homosexual men from the priesthood under Pope Benedict is a prime example of that.
 
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Napoleon said:
Actually, the point people to seem to forget is that Pope Benedict's directive to prohibit homosexuals from entering the priesthood has no foundation in the theology of the Church. Despite the oft repeated defense on the part Christians, Catholics in-particular; it is about the homosexual in the practical application of that phrase. The blanket exclusion of homosexual men from the priesthood under Pope Benedict is a prime example of that.
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Which should be no surprise. This is practiced in the evangelical world as well, Pastors cannot be people who blatantly live in sin, therefore no homosexual pastors in Bible beleiving churches.
 
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danarhea said:
But God DOES hate shrimp. It says so, right in the Bible. Do not make light of that fact, or you will fry in Hell.**

**Most likely in vegetable oil, after being lightly breaded and coated with a beer batter.
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An outrage, I say!!

You better tempura that statement if you expect to get anywhere with me!
 
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davidtaylorjr said:
Which should be no surprise. This is practiced in the evangelical world as well, Pastors cannot be people who blatantly live in sin, therefore no homosexual pastors in Bible beleiving churches.
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Sadly, I don't have enough fingers or the patience to count the number of Evangelical pastors who blatantly live(d) in sin. I'm not even talking about people who blatantly live in sin. The prohibition under Pope Benedict expressly applied to anyone with a homosexual orientation.
 
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NIMBY said:
None of us have time for being challenged to provide your laundry list. This Pope was defending pedophile priests during his first week. Now that you have heard me say it, you'll hear and read it for yourself with little effort.

The "Nun revolution" is certainly something sweeping the Country and religion. Try yesterday's 60 minutes, all straightforward interviews.

No connection was made by me between the Nuns and pedophile priests. I'll use separate paragraphs for everyone's pleasure in the future.
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Paragraphing is always nice. I'm a fan of coherence and readability. I don't need help with my “laundry,” so need to worry. Of course, most of us don’t regard providing links to back up one’s claim as an unreasonable obligation.

BTW, I did Google "Nun revolution,” but there were no hits. Odd, since “everybody” is talking about this and “all” I have to do is check yesterday’s “60 Minutes.”

I do find interesting, though, how your claim has changed from the Pope "consistently defending pedophiles" to his "defending pedophile priests during his first week." So maybe what you’re calling a “nun revolution” is really just some radical sisters trying—as they have since the late ‘60’s—to persuade the “establishment” that she should be allowed to enter the priesthood.

I’m just guessing, though. So much “laundry” to do, you know.
 
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