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    re: Pope Francis on gays: `Who am I to judge?'[W:65,239]

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    Re: Pope Francis on gays: `Who am I to judge?'

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    You should probably study up a little more.....
    Yeah, I didn't think you'd want to challenge me on my post either. Whenever you want to try and test any of the things I said, please do. I've got enough books on Middle Eastern cultures to back it up.
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    re: Pope Francis on gays: `Who am I to judge?'[W:65,239]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Um, you might want to go look. I did not debate the existence of god, I merely pointed out your words where only your opinion, just as you had for others. You do not get to claim your opinions as fact while saying other people's are just opinion, nothing more.
    The Bible is quite clear

    Homosexual sex = A sin and an abomination

    That's not my opinion. That's a fact.

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    That is your opinion, nothing more.

    See how that works?
    Whether you want to believe in God or not is your business. The Bible is QUITE clear however. Engaging in homosexual sex acts is a sin and an abomination.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    And regarding all religion, gods, devils, angels, heaven, hell, and any and all after-life - that's all anybody has. Including you, the Pope, and anyone else.

    It's all opinion. Nothing more. Nothing less.
    If you want to debate the existence of God, feel free to create another thread.

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    re: Pope Francis on gays: `Who am I to judge?'[W:65,239]

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    So you are without sin, and throwing stones, eh?
    Show me where I'm throwing stones

    Go ahead. Quote me.

    I'm not screaming that gays are going to all go to hell. Being gay is not a sin. Having gay sex IS a sin.

    I didn't make those rules. Whether you believe in those rules, agree/disagree or choose to follow them in your business. It's between the sinner and God, which is what the Pope's point is. Predictably this thread has turned into an emotional whinefest, where The Left is bashing Religion and putting the homosexual lifestyle on a pedestal.
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    re: Pope Francis on gays: `Who am I to judge?'[W:65,239]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Show me where I'm throwing stones

    Go ahead. Quote me.

    I'm not screaming that gays are going to all go to hell. Being gay is not a sin. Having gay sex IS a sin.

    I didn't make those rules. Whether you believe in those rules, agree/disagree or choose to follow them in your business. It's between the sinner and God, which is what the Pope's point is. Predictably this thread has turned into an emotional whinefest, where The Left is bashing Religion and putting the homosexual lifestyle on a pedestal.
    Not sure that's true either.

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    re: Pope Francis on gays: `Who am I to judge?'[W:65,239]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    The Bible is quite clear

    Homosexual sex = A sin and an abomination

    That's not my opinion. That's a fact.



    Whether you want to believe in God or not is your business. The Bible is QUITE clear however. Engaging in homosexual sex acts is a sin and an abomination.



    If you want to debate the existence of God, feel free to create another thread.
    Lets see.

    As pointed out by MANY, the bible says all kinds of crap. Most people who like to quote parts of the bible as "fact" also like to ignore many other parts of the bible, and/or say those parts don't apply anymore, or those parts are just to be used as a guide but not as a rule.

    Also - how many freakin times has the bible been translated and interpreted into how many different editions?

    Are you really certain that well over 2000 years ago, homosexuality was such a big issue that the people who wrote all those words were specifically
    writing about homosexuality as we understand the word today?

    Here's an idea, why don't you just worry about yourself and your beliefs and let whatever happens to others in the after-life be their issue?

    Why do you care what others do in the privacy of their homes and lives?

    I'd think pre-marital sex, divorce, babies born out of wedlock, sex out of wedlock, and a whole host of other human behaviors would be much farther up on your list of moral outrages when compared to gay sex.

    Maybe, just maybe, if you prefaced your posts with "I believe...." and then ended them with, "... but that's just me, y'all feel free to do as you believe and I won't judge you for it." people wouldn't be so quick to call you out for what you appear to be.

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    re: Pope Francis on gays: `Who am I to judge?'[W:65,239]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not sure that's true either.
    This is not even debatable

    The Bible doesn't mince words. Doesn't dance around the issue.

    Homosexual sex is a sin and an abomination. If it was natural, men would be able to conceive and have babies popping out their anuses.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Lets see.

    As pointed out by MANY, the bible says all kinds of crap. Most people who like to quote parts of the bible as "fact" also like to ignore many other parts of the bible, and/or say those parts don't apply anymore, or those parts are just to be used as a guide but not as a rule.

    Also - how many freakin times has the bible been translated and interpreted into how many different editions?

    Are you really certain that well over 2000 years ago, homosexuality was such a big issue that the people who wrote all those words were specifically
    writing about homosexuality as we understand the word today?

    Here's an idea, why don't you just worry about yourself and your beliefs and let whatever happens to others in the after-life be their issue?

    Why do you care what others do in the privacy of their homes and lives?

    I'd think pre-marital sex, divorce, babies born out of wedlock, sex out of wedlock, and a whole host of other human behaviors would be much farther up on your list of moral outrages when compared to gay sex.

    Maybe, just maybe, if you prefaced your posts with "I believe...." and then ended them with, "... but that's just me, y'all feel free to do as you believe and I won't judge you for it." people wouldn't be so quick to call you out for what you appear to be.
    If you want to trash The Bible and don't believe in God, that's your business.

    That's NOT what this thread is about however. If you want to trash The Bible and debate the existence of God, go ahead and create another thread. The fact that engaging in homosexual sex is a sin and an abomination in God's eyes is not open for debate.

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    re: Pope Francis on gays: `Who am I to judge?'[W:65,239]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    This is not even debatable

    The Bible doesn't mince words. Doesn't dance around the issue.

    Homosexual sex is a sin and an abomination. If it was natural, men would be able to conceive and have babies popping out their anuses.
    Actually, that's also a mistake on your part. Much of what you think is clear is really a misreading. I've link those in the polls forum in the thread on the subject. That's the trouble with BLIND faith. Important questions don't get asked.

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    re: Pope Francis on gays: `Who am I to judge?'[W:65,239]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    This is not even debatable

    The Bible doesn't mince words. Doesn't dance around the issue.

    Homosexual sex is a sin and an abomination. If it was natural, men would be able to conceive and have babies popping out their anuses.
    Every time you post you dig yourself deeper and deeper.

    There and many natural cases of "homosexuality" outside of the human realm.

    Plenty of sex acts don't result in babies. Anal sex between a man and a woman never results in a baby.

    Come on man.

    Just admit you hate all things homosexual.

    Stop trying to use the bible as your justification.

    Just admit you hate it. It's got nothing to do with god. Nothing to do with the bible.

    Everything to do with you. Why is that so hard for you?

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    re: Pope Francis on gays: `Who am I to judge?'[W:65,239]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Actually, that's also a mistake on your part. Much of what you think is clear is really a misreading. I've link those in the polls forum in the thread on the subject. That's the trouble with BLIND faith. Important questions don't get asked.
    It's not debatable. The Bible is QUITE clear. No wiggle room.

    Engaging in homosexual sex IS a sin and an abomination.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Every time you post you dig yourself deeper and deeper.

    There and many natural cases of "homosexuality" outside of the human realm.

    Plenty of sex acts don't result in babies. Anal sex between a man and a woman never results in a baby.

    Come on man.

    Just admit you hate all things homosexual.

    Stop trying to use the bible as your justification.

    Just admit you hate it. It's got nothing to do with god. Nothing to do with the bible.

    Everything to do with you. Why is that so hard for you?
    You keep acting like this is about me. Try that tactic with someone else who will take the bait. Judgement is between the sodomite and God. I also find it amusing that the people whining about "judging others" have done nothing in this thread except engage in emotional reasoning to judge me.

    There is no such thing as a "homosexual instinct" in animals. Animals engage in that type of behavior for a variety of different reasons, primarily for dominance. Not because of emotions or the will to procreate. A child cannot be conceived from gay sex. That's just science and nature pal. You DO believe in science don't you?

    The Bible is quite clear. Engaging in homosexual sex is a sin and an abomination.

    This thread is about The Pope and specifically the church's view on homosexuality. If you want to attack people for following God's Laws then go create that thread and have at it.

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