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    re: Pope Francis on gays: `Who am I to judge?'[W:65,239]

    Quote Originally Posted by brothern View Post
    New Testament is also quite clear about it's support for slavery, blaming all Jews for Jesus' death, genocidal acts and the idea that God views females as intrinsically less worthy than males.

    Doesn't mean that anyone in his/her right mind actually believes that Biblical crap.

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    This thread is about the Pope and what The Bible specifically says about homosexual sex acts

    If you (and Redress) want to debate the existence of God, feel free to create another thread.

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    Re: Pope Francis on gays: `Who am I to judge?'

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    That is your opinion

    Nothing more
    And regarding all religion, gods, devils, angels, heaven, hell, and any and all after-life - that's all anybody has. Including you, the Pope, and anyone else.

    It's all opinion. Nothing more. Nothing less.

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    re: Pope Francis on gays: `Who am I to judge?'[W:65,239]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    Pope Francis on gays: `Who am I to judge?' – CNN Belief Blog - CNN.com Blogs



    Francis continues to distance himself from Benedict. Thoughts?
    this is in no way an alteration of Church doctrine, or a distancing from Benedict. Remember a few months back when everyone was shocked to discover that Francis said homosexual acts were sinful?


    Now he reiterates that the temptation is not the sin, its' the act that's the sin, and that only God can judge the heart. Amazingly, it turns out, the Pope really is Catholic.

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    Re: Pope Francis on gays: `Who am I to judge?'

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Rape and incest were pretty acceptable in Jesus' day. I don't mean acceptable in the sense that people just went "We're alright with it" but more like "Yeah, it happens. We get over it though." Surely, Jesus wasn't in favor of any of it, but the chances are he wouldn't have been all that angry about it either.

    It was pretty much standard for old testament guys to marry a cousin or somebody of relation. It's a standard part of some Middle Eastern cultures to preserve kinship ties through marriage. So we find that Middle East Jews have pretty high incidence of first cousin marriages.

    Now, as far as rape goes, there are more than once instance in which we see that the punishment for rape is just a little bit more serious than the punishment for stealing a goat. You pay a fine, you keep the woman. Women aren't exactly seen as anything but diplomatic property by social standards at that time.

    So in a way, you're right - Jesus doesn't condone it. However, the evidence would suggests he didn't really give a **** about it either.
    You should probably study up a little more.....
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    re: Pope Francis on gays: `Who am I to judge?'[W:65,239]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    If you don't choose to believe in the Bible or in God that's your business

    This thread is about the Pope and what The Bible specifically says about homosexual sex acts

    If you (and Redress) want to debate the existence of God, feel free to create another thread.
    It is very well my damn business. Why? Because you and a large number of Americans are using that goddamn book to interfere with my family. I don't take kindly to people who attack my family.

    Especially when those people choose to ONLY emphasize the homophobic nature of God while ignoring 100% of every other racist, misogynistic, genocidal, homicidal, malevolent, bigoted, vindictive and egomaniacal thing this jerkoff has ever done and said in the Bible. I know you already choose to ignore half of it. Why choose to use your actions to only make LGBT people miserable?
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    re: Pope Francis on gays: `Who am I to judge?'[W:65,239]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    If you don't choose to believe in the Bible or in God that's your business

    This thread is about the Pope and what The Bible specifically says about homosexual sex acts

    If you (and Redress) want to debate the existence of God, feel free to create another thread.
    Um, you might want to go look. I did not debate the existence of god, I merely pointed out your words where only your opinion, just as you had for others. You do not get to claim your opinions as fact while saying other people's are just opinion, nothing more.
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    re: Pope Francis on gays: `Who am I to judge?'[W:65,239]

    Not sure why this is making headlines as this doesn't go against the church doctrine of "Hate the Sin, not the sinner".

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    re: Pope Francis on gays: `Who am I to judge?'[W:65,239]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Not sure why this is making headlines as this doesn't go against the church doctrine of "Hate the Sin, not the sinner".
    Agreed. Somehow, I'm not sure why any hate would be acceptable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    The Bible is quite clear. Homosexual sex is a sin and an abomination. It's not my opinion. It's God's Law.

    As a believer, I follow God's laws. There are rules. The other guy (Satan) only has one rule. Do whatever you want.
    So you are without sin, and throwing stones, eh?
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    re: Pope Francis on gays: `Who am I to judge?'[W:65,239]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Um, you might want to go look. I did not debate the existence of god, I merely pointed out your words where only your opinion, just as you had for others. You do not get to claim your opinions as fact while saying other people's are just opinion, nothing more.
    Precisely.

    There's only a few billion Muslims, Hindus, and Buddhists, along with the atheists that will all claim to "KNOW" the "TRUTH".

    Not to mention the various "christian" off-shoots whose beliefs probably differ from his as well.

    Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, ..........

    I'm guessing there's roughly 7 billion-ish people who believe they "know" the "truth".

    What are the odds that Bronson, or davidtaylorjr, or anyone else here is "right"?

    More accurately, what are the odds that they're wrong?

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