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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    No he was wrong, not to mention highly hypocritical considering he expanded government on behalf of his financial backers.

    The problem is accountability and transparency and lack of this. We should only have the government we need, no more, no less. The issue in many countries is that government has no accountability or transparency, so it can grow out of control because there is money in government. Politicians become rich when in office and after office if they play their cards right.. and that is wrong.

    A good example is the US military. It is beyond bloated and its procurement waste is catastrophic.. because there is very little transparency or accountability. For example this one..

    Abrams Tank Pushed By Congress Despite Army's Protests



    So here we have a situation where the military (aka the government) does not want the extra tanks, but the elected politicians force it through because of basically financial bribes. Not pork-barrel politics.. yea right!

    Another example was a plane or helicopter that the US airforce said no to over a decade ago, but because it was made in a GOP Senators home state, he pushed for the billions wasted on the program. Only recently the program was finally cancelled.

    It is this kind of abuse by elected politicians that is the problem, not "government". Government is just the tool of politicians, and in a corrupt political climate like the US, waste and nepotism is the number one problem and is always blamed on the "government" and not on the elected officials.

    The continuing revolving door between elected officials to lobbyist for industry to management in industry is causing 90% of the waste and problems in government.

    For example, bad regulation. In most cases they are put in place to protect a local politicians political/financial allies. Why do you think that the healthcare insurance industry fought for decades against opening up the market? Because they steadily funneled campaign money to local politicians who then blocked any liberalization of the market.

    And the reason I am not putting elected politicians in the "government" box is simple. There are millions of hard working people in "government" and they should not all be blamed for some elected officials corruption. And yes there are some lazy bastards in "government" as well.. just as there is in the private sector.
    All your examples show he was right. The government with it's size CANNOT effectively oversee it's own self, therefore is the problem. Government IS the problem.

    Yes, Reagan was hypocritical in some cases, but the base idea that government is the problem was RIGHT.

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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Not any different than Bush was AWOL, Bush was part of 9/11, and Bush lied purposely to get us into the Iraq war. Like I said, not unique.
    Bush lied? It's amazing how long this meme has lived.

    Here, read the actual reports about WMD from the U.N.

    IAEA and Iraq - Global Special Weapons - Nuclear, Biological Chemical and Missile Proliferation News

    S/1998/694, Letter of GS to the President

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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    All your examples show he was right. The government with it's size CANNOT effectively oversee it's own self, therefore is the problem. Government IS the problem.

    Yes, Reagan was hypocritical in some cases, but the base idea that government is the problem was RIGHT.
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    No my point is, the overseers of government is the politicians. But in the US and some other countries, it is the politicians that are the problem and do not do their jobs and instead use government as an ATM for them and their financial backers. Hence the problem is not government but the elected politicians and the system it self.
    PeteEU

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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Was this the change you liberal progressives were waiting for? Was this the plan? All this talk, and excuse making for a failed liberal agenda of bringing all boats down in the name of "fairness" is bull****! We are NOT better off with Obama in office! We are NOT recovering under his administration, because that was never the plan. We are in decline, ushered in, and sped up by this progressive trash in the WH for the purpose of bringing this country down, because he can't stand what our place in the world was.

    Don't agree with me? I couldn't care less! IF all you want to do is attack, then do us all a favor and don't post in this thread. If you want to discuss the conclusion of the AP report, then I am listening.
    No. We did not wish to merely rebound from the worst recession since the GD with slow, albeit steady growth. Nor did we wish for delays in the ending of stupid tax policy. And nothing but lip-service about raising wage minimums is quite possibly the worst dereliction of Obama's duty to the people who elected him, IMO.

    So while I'm glad the recession is over, and things are heading north consistently, not nearly enough has been done, by a long shot.

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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Bush lied? It's amazing how long this meme has lived.

    Here, read the actual reports about WMD from the U.N.

    IAEA and Iraq - Global Special Weapons - Nuclear, Biological Chemical and Missile Proliferation News

    S/1998/694, Letter of GS to the President
    If you actual read what I was responding to, those things were false is what I was saying. Obama is not a Muslim just like Bush didn't lie to get us in Iraq.

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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Because I asked it...
    makes sense ...

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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by Spaceman_Spiff View Post
    In high school I had a teacher that regularly discussed economics before class started, and when we discussed the future of labor in the United States he told us to expect that each of us would average about five to seven careers throughout our working careers. Gone was the job security of our parents and grandparents who had a reasonable expectation that they would work at a single employer their whole lives and enjoy the job security that came with it.

    Those discussions took place in 1999. To act as if this trend is something that has happened over the last few years, rather than the last three or four decades, is foolish.

    As for the article, I am not surprised at all of the findings. With the emphasis on capital over the recent decades, labor is no longer that important when companies can have laborers in developing nations build their products at a fraction of the price of their American counterparts. Along with the prevalence of robotics, the manpower necessary to manufacture goods is drastically less than what was needed in post World War II America.

    In order to better compete in the global market education is now the key to prosperity. Now no longer does a college degree guarantee success, but in order to do well one must have a post-undergraduate work. Unfortunately, this means that blue collar workers of the future will become something of a perpetual underclass with little chance of upward mobility. It is sad, but that is capitalism for you.
    Obama was busy in 1999.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    There is a difference between risking your life and making a cup of coffee. There is no equivalency to that, sorry. As for being preachy and acting like they are morally superior, that is the MO of conservatives.
    The problem, sir, is that you are attempting to put a value on life and its relative risks and then equate that to the value of your skills and ambition in the marketplace.

    The two do not belong in the same dscussion.

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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Not any different than Bush was AWOL, Bush was part of 9/11, and Bush lied purposely to get us into the Iraq war. Like I said, not unique.
    Oh, these are equivalents? Incompentence versus whether you're really an American? since I started posting a couple of years ago I've had an introduction to Libertarians as never before, and while I share many of their views, concerns etc., there's one subject we're far apart on and Libertarians seem to be eerily consistent on it, and that's race and racism ... you guys just don't get it or just don't care - not sure which ... that's too bad ... have a good one, gotta head out ... I'll look for your response later ...

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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    If you actual read what I was responding to, those things were false is what I was saying. Obama is not a Muslim just like Bush didn't lie to get us in Iraq.
    My apologies for misunderstanding the context of your post.

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