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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Was this the change you liberal progressives were waiting for? Was this the plan? All this talk, and excuse making for a failed liberal agenda of bringing all boats down in the name of "fairness" is bull****! We are NOT better off with Obama in office! We are NOT recovering under his administration, because that was never the plan. We are in decline, ushered in, and sped up by this progressive trash in the WH for the purpose of bringing this country down, because he can't stand what our place in the world was.

    Don't agree with me? I couldn't care less! IF all you want to do is attack, then do us all a favor and don't post in this thread. If you want to discuss the conclusion of the AP report, then I am listening.
    of course there was a plan ... the plan was to make it as difficult as possible for him to govern ... I think it was called "THE GOP PLAN TO MAKE IT AS DIFFICULT AS POSSIBLE FOR THE GUY WITH THE BIG EARS TO GOVERN" -- and as far as the signs of declining economic security goes, we saw those signs about 13 years ago when the surplus started to disappear ...

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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by windowdressing View Post
    of course there was a plan ... the plan was to make it as difficult as possible for him to govern ... I think it was called "THE GOP PLAN TO MAKE IT AS DIFFICULT AS POSSIBLE FOR THE GUY WITH THE BIG EARS TO GOVERN" -- and as far as the signs of declining economic security goes, we saw those signs about 13 years ago when the surplus started to disappear ...
    While the GOP have definitely been an obsticle to Obama, what did Obama and the Dems think was going to happen when the crammed Obamacare down the GOPs throat?

    Obama was supposed to be a uniter and has since proven to be like Bush and be a divider. Given all the government problems with oversight do you REALLY want the government overseeing Obamacare?

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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    There is no Bush hatred in my comments, only facts. Under Bush the economy got worse than when Clinton was president. Just as with Obama, the economy has gotten worse than Bush. I've criticzed Obama plenty.

    The average "Obama" voter is no different than the average "GOP" voter. Both sides think "their" guys are the solution. They aren't, they are the problem.
    That's what Reagan said.

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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    That's what Reagan said.
    And while I hated much of what he did, he was right.

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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    While the GOP have definitely been an obsticle to Obama, what did Obama and the Dems think was going to happen when the crammed Obamacare down the GOPs throat?

    Obama was supposed to be a uniter and has since proven to be like Bush and be a divider. Given all the government problems with oversight do you REALLY want the government overseeing Obamacare?
    Wrong guy ... I wanted single payer ...
    ACA was voted on, not crammed
    Obama was an idiot to believe the GOP wanted to work with him ... the divide was there and the only way he could unite, was to do everything the GOP wanted him to do (and even that probably wouldn't work when you consider how some in the GOP opposed things he proposed that they supported before he proposed it)

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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    So you feel risking your life is less than playing football? Let's just clear that up right now before I comment on the rest of what you said.
    To the people who pay the wages, absolutely correct. If you sell your house, do you think you get to dictate that the buyer must overpay based on your inflated view of the worth of your property? Labor, in any form, is a commodity that is sold to the highest bidder or in other words, is offered to the person willing to pay the most on terms agreeable to both parties. You, sitting at your computer, don't get to dictate what Mr. Kraft pays Tom Brady to throw a football every Sunday afternoon. That decision is made by Mr. Kraft based on his analysis of the return on his investment in Mr. Brady. Having Mr. Brady as his quarterback gets him exponentially more in return than what he pays out in contracted salary to him.

    This in no way denigrades or disrespects the work that anyone else does - it's a matter of supply and demand - very few people can throw a football like Tom Brady - statistics will tell you that millions of people can be police officers, because there are millions of police officers - and there are probably tens of millions of other people who could be equally as good police officers but there aren't enough jobs.

    If you think that millions of people doing a job that millions of people can do and are doing should be paid the same as the one person doing a job that only one or perhaps a limited few can do, then your view of labor and it's value is nuts and you're exactly the type of person I was talking about in my original post and the exact type of person who's the problem, not the solution.

    Now, go give me the preachy, social bleeding hearted speech about how savings lives is more noble than throwing a football - it has zero to do with the labor market, period.
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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by windowdressing View Post
    Wrong guy ... I wanted single payer ...
    ACA was voted on, not crammed
    Obama was an idiot to believe the GOP wanted to work with him ... the divide was there and the only wayt he could unite, was to do everything the GOP wanted him to do
    It was crammed and that much is fact. Almost all of the GOP had voted against it, therefore it was crammed down their throats because they were a minority. We aren't talking that Obamacare was illegal, we are talking that it wasn't bi-partisan.

    Both sides have been playing political games at the expense of the voter.

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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    To the people who pay the wages, absolutely correct. If you sell your house, do you think you get to dictate that the buyer must overpay based on your inflated view of the worth of your property? Labor, in any form, is a commodity that is sold to the highest bidder or in other words, is offered to the person willing to pay the most on terms agreeable to both parties. You, sitting at your computer, don't get to dictate what Mr. Kraft pays Tom Brady to throw a football every Sunday afternoon. That decision is made by Mr. Kraft based on his analysis of the return on his investment in Mr. Brady. Having Mr. Brady as his quarterback gets him exponentially more in return than what he pays out in contracted salary to him.

    This in no way denigrades or disrespects the work that anyone else does - it's a matter of supply and demand - very few people can throw a football like Tom Brady - statistics will tell you that millions of people can be police officers, because there are millions of police officers - and there are probably tens of millions of other people who could be equally as good police officers but there aren't enough jobs.

    If you think that millions of people doing a job that millions of people can do and are doing should be paid the same as the one person doing a job that only one or perhaps a limited few can do, then your view of labor and it's value is nuts and you're exactly the type of person I was talking about in my original post and the exact type of person who's the problem, not the solution.

    Now, go give me the preachy, social bleeding hearted speech about how savings lives is more noble than throwing a football - it has zero to do with the labor market, period.
    Hold on a minute, I'm not asking that pay be deemed by me at all. I'm simply pointing out that life is worth less in this society and how greed is the dominate factor. You can preach suppply and demand all you want, but if you view life less than a football game, you are part of the problem with society in general.

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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Global, schmobal.

    We had it all, and pissed much of it away by following idiotic European socialist policies... a form of economic HIV.

    The fruits of the socialists (Demokrats) bending over the nation time and again... and giving us one good one after another.

    No whining... Enjoy!

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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    It was crammed and that much is fact. Almost all of the GOP had voted against it, therefore it was crammed down their throats because they were a minority. We aren't talking that Obamacare was illegal, we are talking that it wasn't bi-partisan.

    Both sides have been playing political games at the expense of the voter.
    you've actually raised an interesting question ... How often have bills passed with everyone in one party voting for it and every member from the other party voting against it? I may try to google that later ...

    yes, both parties play games, and Rand Paul scares the crap out of me, but what has happened to Obama, whom I'm not crazy about, is pretty unique ... but then again, as the Jackie Robinson of the presidency, we should not have expected it to be business as usual ...

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