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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Obama had all the ideas to fix all that.
    He has done nothing.
    He spent a good part of his first term ramming Obamacare through, started his second term with gun control.
    Obama care is already a massive failure and his gun control efforts fizzled.
    So, please tell us. Just what has Obama done for the working middle class in this nation except tap our taxes for more and more entitlements for those that dont work.
    Yes, he said that. As so did MANY presidents before him and failed. I'm not giving Obama a pass, simply pointing out that this has been happening for DECADES. Obama has made it worse, as did Bush before him.

    The fact that people keep electing Dem/Rep politicians shows the stupidity and insanity of today's society. What's that saying about doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results?

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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Hard yes, but let's be honest for a second. Yes, professional athletes do train hard, but let's compare their pay to a solider, police officer, or firemen. Do you really think putting your LIFE on the line isn't worth the same as an athlete? So again, the pay is disproportionate to the work. Using athletes as an example only points out how ****ed up our priorities are as a society.




    Of course there are those people out there and they don't just follow a "liberal" ideology. There are conservatives that also do this. Politicians are a prime example. They only act as a "pretty face" most of the time and live lavish lifestyles with taxpayers money. That goes for ANY politician. Do you think your politician can work harder? I do.



    So then why are soldiers, firemen, police officers and others that risk their lives weekly sometimes paid what they are? Do you think putting your life on the line is far less than playing a football game? Your example supports my theory a lot more than yours.
    athletes get paid what they do because people still go out and pay the high prices for game tickets to see them play. the advertisers pay the millions they do to advertising during their games. What you get paid is a direct result on how much money you make for the person you work for.
    when policeman, soldiers, and fireman stop being policeman, fireman, and soldiers because the pay isn't worth the job done then the pay will go up so to attract more to the professions. as long as we have ones that continue to be policeman fireman and soldiers for the pay they make then the pay will stay the same

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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Yes, he said that. As so did MANY presidents before him and failed. I'm not giving Obama a pass, simply pointing out that this has been happening for DECADES. Obama has made it worse, as did Bush before him.

    The fact that people keep electing Dem/Rep politicians shows the stupidity and insanity of today's society. What's that saying about doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results?
    Problem is not enough people vote.
    The other problem is once people get into office, no one holds them accountable for their campaign promises or actions once in office.
    That is across the board DEM and REP.
    Then you have weak kneed congress that didnt stand up to Bush about going into Iraq. We all knew he was going to do it to "avenge daddys" nemesis.
    How many billions did we piss away there to nothing but the detriment of our nation?
    How many billions did we piss away fighting Al Queda, to get one man? A man that was being harboured by one of our "allies" in the war on terror.
    While we are pouring billions into Pakistan, they are hiding enemy number one.
    And people wonder why our nation is broke. Why are our cities looking at bankruptcy. Why are we in a flat "recovery"?
    You cant keep pouring money into bottemless pits and expect to have positive results.

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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    athletes get paid what they do because people still go out and pay the high prices for game tickets to see them play. the advertisers pay the millions they do to advertising during their games. What you get paid is a direct result on how much money you make for the person you work for.
    when policeman, soldiers, and fireman stop being policeman, fireman, and soldiers because the pay isn't worth the job done then the pay will go up so to attract more to the professions. as long as we have ones that continue to be policeman fireman and soldiers for the pay they make then the pay will stay the same
    Again, society feels a life is less worth than a game. That is a ****ed up society no matter how you try to spin it and it knows no political ideology on that one. It only knows greed. Greed is worth more than life in this society.

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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Problem is not enough people vote.
    The other problem is once people get into office, no one holds them accountable for their campaign promises or actions once in office.
    That is across the board DEM and REP.
    Then you have weak kneed congress that didnt stand up to Bush about going into Iraq. We all knew he was going to do it to "avenge daddys" nemesis.
    How many billions did we piss away there to nothing but the detriment of our nation?
    How many billions did we piss away fighting Al Queda, to get one man? A man that was being harboured by one of our "allies" in the war on terror.
    While we are pouring billions into Pakistan, they are hiding enemy number one.
    And people wonder why our nation is broke. Why are our cities looking at bankruptcy. Why are we in a flat "recovery"?
    You cant keep pouring money into bottemless pits and expect to have positive results.
    No disagreement there. This government has really no effective oversight on what it spends and no accountability. People STILL continue to think "their" reps whether Dem or Rep will be the solution.

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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Again, society feels a life is less worth than a game. That is a ****ed up society no matter how you try to spin it and it knows no political ideology on that one. It only knows greed. Greed is worth more than life in this society.
    supply and demand dictates price and pay
    when we have people stop wanting to be policeman fireman and soldiers because the pay isn't worth the risk then the pay would rise to make it worth the risk to be a policeman fireman and soliders

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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by Spaceman_Spiff View Post
    In high school I had a teacher that regularly discussed economics before class started, and when we discussed the future of labor in the United States he told us to expect that each of us would average about five to seven careers throughout our working careers. Gone was the job security of our parents and grandparents who had a reasonable expectation that they would work at a single employer their whole lives and enjoy the job security that came with it.

    Those discussions took place in 1999. To act as if this trend is something that has happened over the last few years, rather than the last three or four decades, is foolish.
    Missing the point....I nor is the article suggesting that the trend of today is a product of just the last 5 years, nor is it the product of possibly the last 15 years, no. The fruits of what is seen today has its roots in possibly the last 40 years, so on that we agree. My thoughts are that it started in the early 70s with the progressive promise that we could automate, and shift to a "service based economy"... That notion was false.

    As for the article, I am not surprised at all of the findings. With the emphasis on capital over the recent decades, labor is no longer that important when companies can have laborers in developing nations build their products at a fraction of the price of their American counterparts. Along with the prevalence of robotics, the manpower necessary to manufacture goods is drastically less than what was needed in post World War II America.
    Capitalism is not the problem, Ideas based on quasi socialism are.

    In order to better compete in the global market education is now the key to prosperity. Now no longer does a college degree guarantee success, but in order to do well one must have a post-undergraduate work. Unfortunately, this means that blue collar workers of the future will become something of a perpetual underclass with little chance of upward mobility. It is sad, but that is capitalism for you.
    Education is key, I agree, but this constant push for greater levels of graduate, and post graduate degrees is nonsense...We in this country are approaching a shortage of Electricians, Plumbers, Welders, and trade skills altogether.

    Let's face it, as has always been true, not everyone is cut out for college, and the ability to make it in the middle class with a trade skill is disappearing. Along with the government spending ever more on social programs that are sold as hitting the wealthy, but in reality destroy the middle class in order to redistribute individual labor productivity is detrimental to a successful middle class.

    Capitalism didn't cause this path, progressive march toward tenets of socialism did.
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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    supply and demand dictates price and pay
    when we have people stop wanting to be policeman fireman and soldiers because the pay isn't worth the risk then the pay would rise to make it worth the risk to be a policeman fireman and soliders
    Again, doesn't change the fact that people view life less than playing a football game. That is ****ed up, no matter how you spin it. The only example you have provided is greed and shows how ****ed up society really is.

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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Again, society feels a life is less worth than a game. That is a ****ed up society no matter how you try to spin it and it knows no political ideology on that one. It only knows greed. Greed is worth more than life in this society.
    TNE, are you a successful guy?
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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    TNE, are you a successful guy?
    I'm quite certain your definition of success and mine are different. Yes, I am successful by my definition which means I have a loving family, good quality of life (by my definition), and good friends. No, I am not rich, but I'm happy. What is your definition of success?

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