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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    See, here's the thing though, even if
    Congress said YES, if Bush said NO, we wouldn't have gone into Iraq. The last and most important decision was on Bush as HE was the one that decided if we went or didn't go. Can't change that FACT.
    So what ? The entire Iraq War left wing narrative has been blown way out of proportion.


    And you people pretending that Congress had no idea where we were headed is laughable.

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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    So what ? The entire Iraq War left wing narrative has been blown way out of proportion.
    I'll take that as a concession from your part that indeed Bush made the decision to go into Iraq thank you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    And you people pretending that Congress had no idea where we were headed is laughable.
    What's laughable is watching you and others try to dance around the FACT that Bush made the call to go into Iraq. Why do you hate the FACT that Bush made the decision to go into Iraq?

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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    See, here's the thing though, even if Congress said YES, if Bush said NO, we wouldn't have gone into Iraq. The last and most important decision was on Bush as HE was the one that decided if we went or didn't go. Can't change that FACT.
    100% correct, you can't change facts. Congress had the chance to stop it before it started but they thought it was the best thing to do. Just as Bush did. But one yes from Bush wasn't enough to get us into war with Iraq. I know it hurts when the facts hit you in the face when it's pointed out that Bush could not have done it by himself. See, if congress says no, Bush is not even part of the equation. The last decision carried no more weight than the first.

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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    100% correct, you can't change facts. Congress had the chance to stop it before it started but they thought it was the best thing to do. Just as Bush did. But one yes from Bush wasn't enough to get us into war with Iraq. I know it hurts when the facts hit you in the face when it's pointed out that Bush could not have done it by himself. See, if congress says no, Bush is not even part of the equation. The last decision carried no more weight than the first.
    Don't waste anymore thought replying to TNE, or Boo on this one. They are hopelessly lost on the truth concerning this. They have traded honesty, and objectivity for hyper leftists ranting like petulant children...Not really worth the aggravation addressing this 10 year old meme anymore. They are on the wrong side of history as usual. In fact the only reason they derail any thread talking about the declining economic security in this country (the thread title) is because they can not bring themselves to be honest about the fact that Obama has, and continues to put in place policies, and laws that are bringing this about in this country, therefore they instead of addressing the topic of the thread they must attack Bush on the Iraq war some 10 years plus after the fact. It's pathetic.
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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    100% correct, you can't change facts. Congress had the chance to stop it before it started but they thought it was the best thing to do. Just as Bush did. But one yes from Bush wasn't enough to get us into war with Iraq. I know it hurts when the facts hit you in the face when it's pointed out that Bush could not have done it by himself. See, if congress says no, Bush is not even part of the equation. The last decision carried no more weight than the first.
    No one disagrees with the notion congress could have stopped. Hey could have. No me is claiming they made a stand or even did their job. But the vote was not for war. It was to let Bush decide. There comments when they voted, as I tried to point out with Kerry made clear their reservations. So, while congress deserves contempt for cowardice, the decision was Bush's. give him credit and blame for his decision. Quit trying to water it down.

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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No one disagrees with the notion congress could have stopped. Hey could have. No me is claiming they made a stand or even did their job. But the vote was not for war. It was to let Bush decide. There comments when they voted, as I tried to point out with Kerry made clear their reservations. So, while congress deserves contempt for cowardice, the decision was Bush's. give him credit and blame for his decision. Quit trying to water it down.
    The vote was for an approval of force (e.g. military). You can paint a situation in many ways, but you can't change reality...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    The vote was for an approval of force (e.g. military). You can paint a situation in many ways, but you can't change reality...
    So, when they say, as Kerry did, not to invade outside the UN, this doesn't show intend?

    No, they explained a lot that hey wanted to put muscle behind his threat, but did not to invade outside the UN. If we care at all about being accurate, we take it all in.

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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    The vote was for an approval of force (e.g. military). You can paint a situation in many ways, but you can't change reality...
    No it wasn't. You should learn the facts before posting
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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    So, when they say, as Kerry did, not to invade outside the UN, this doesn't show intend?

    No, they explained a lot that hey wanted to put muscle behind his threat, but did not to invade outside the UN. If we care at all about being accurate, we take it all in.
    You would need to read the resolution as it specifically authorized the use of force, and subsequently, Congress funded each and every decision...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    You would need to read the resolution as it specifically authorized the use of force, and subsequently, Congress funded each and every decision...
    It was at least a second attempt. Because of the problems, many tried to speak plainly about what they thought was proper. This is the problem with not having congress declare war. They leave it the the president. He and he alone made the final decision. Don't short change him.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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