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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

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    None of that changes the fact that if Bush said "No", we wouldn't have gone into Iraq. Bush is the one that ultimately made the call to go in. You can argue till the cows come how that he was justified in that, but the decision was his regardless. IF he said "No", we wouldn't have gone into Iraq.
    We tried that years earlier with his dad, Bush I....Did that good will do any good at persuading Saddam to give up his evil in the region?
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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    We tried that years earlier with his dad, Bush I....Did that good will do any good at persuading Saddam to give up his evil in the region?
    Saddam was a paper tiger. Outside of Iraq, he had little ability to do anything. However, that really wasn't the point of what TNE said.

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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

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    Saddam was a paper tiger. Outside of Iraq, he had little ability to do anything. However, that really wasn't the point of what TNE said.

    Don't you just love the ability to call it after the fact? I mean you must really be the smartest guy on the planet as long as you can use hindsight for your proclamations.
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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Don't you just love the ability to call it after the fact? I mean you must really be the smartest guy on the planet as long as you can use hindsight for your proclamations.
    If you'd recall, I called before the fact, as did a lot of others. You sued asking foresight isn't Monday morning qbing. Foresight s war leaders need. And frankly, it never was as questionable as your side likes to pretend. Try to show that to you pre war as well.

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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    We tried that years earlier with his dad, Bush I....Did that good will do any good at persuading Saddam to give up his evil in the region?
    What does this have to do with Bush being the one who ULTIMATELY made the decision to go into Iraq? BTW, Saddam was contained and Bush I had it right. Given more time, his regime would have collapsed under Iraqi revolution.

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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Don't you just love the ability to call it after the fact? I mean you must really be the smartest guy on the planet as long as you can use hindsight for your proclamations.
    Actually we DID see how well Saddam was contained after Bush I decision. There was no "after the fact", there was containment and eventually would have led to Iraqi revolution. The simple fact remains though, Bush II made the decision ultimately to go into Iraq.

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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    What does this have to do with Bush being the one who ULTIMATELY made the decision to go into Iraq? BTW, Saddam was contained and Bush I had it right. Given more time, his regime would have collapsed under Iraqi revolution.

    Come on man, I know you are more honest than this TNE....At least I hope so....I was in during Gulf I, and we went in to Kuwait....Some of my very close friends were less than 100 K outside Baghdad, and had intel on Saddam's location. They were told to stand down, pull back....They saw Saddam's sadistic forces attacking their own people as we pulled out....How many died because we didn't have the balls to take Saddam out when we had the chance in the late 80s?

    Actually we DID see how well Saddam was contained after Bush I decision. There was no "after the fact", there was containment and eventually would have led to Iraqi revolution. The simple fact remains though, Bush II made the decision ultimately to go into Iraq.
    Ah Bull! People like you TNE are quick to always tell us slogan crap like, "if it saves just one life....", or "it's for the children....", well, it must be awful self gratifying to you to sit back in your comfortable life and pronounce the risk others should take with theirs, huh? At least when Bush went in to Iraq it was a decisive move. He didn't have to hid behind skirts, sent out to lie for him while others died....The world at least respected his resolve, unlike our current coward, criminal....

    You don't have the slightest clue about what intel, and circumstances swirled around the POTUS at that time, other than what you read, written by biased, lying pieces of journalistic malpractice committing pieces of trash spewing propaganda, and you bought it like a 7 year old at a garage sale full of .25 cent toys....Good job. Truth the world is a better place without Hussein in it, and it kills people like you to admit it. Well, too bad for you.
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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    None of that changes the fact that if Bush said "No", we wouldn't have gone into Iraq. Bush is the one that ultimately made the call to go in. You can argue till the cows come how that he was justified in that, but the decision was his regardless. IF he said "No", we wouldn't have gone into Iraq.
    Correct. And had congress said "No", we wouldn't have gone into Iraq. So if you wish to blame that war on Bush fine but in the same sentence you have to equally blame congress. If you wish to address "blame" honestly. I find most people that want to assign "blame" prefer to lie or are just to dumb to know that nothing happened without action from congress.

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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Come on man, I know you are more honest than this TNE....At least I hope so....I was in during Gulf I, and we went in to Kuwait....Some of my very close friends were less than 100 K outside Baghdad, and had intel on Saddam's location. They were told to stand down, pull back....They saw Saddam's sadistic forces attacking their own people as we pulled out....How many died because we didn't have the balls to take Saddam out when we had the chance in the late 80s?
    How many people die to the U.S. inaction EVERY DAY? What about the people in Africa who are slaughtered, what about the citizens in North Korea who are starved and persecuted each day if they speak against their government? What about the middle east? What about the people that die due to drug cartels in other foreign nations? What about the oppressive government in Iran that the people suffer under.

    The truth that YOU and your ilk hate is that we can't save EVERYONE.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ah Bull! People like you TNE are quick to always tell us slogan crap like, "if it saves just one life....", or "it's for the children....", well, it must be awful self gratifying to you to sit back in your comfortable life and pronounce the risk others should take with theirs, huh? At least when Bush went in to Iraq it was a decisive move. He didn't have to hid behind skirts, sent out to lie for him while others died....The world at least respected his resolve, unlike our current coward, criminal....

    You don't have the slightest clue about what intel, and circumstances swirled around the POTUS at that time, other than what you read, written by biased, lying pieces of journalistic malpractice committing pieces of trash spewing propaganda, and you bought it like a 7 year old at a garage sale full of .25 cent toys....Good job. Truth the world is a better place without Hussein in it, and it kills people like you to admit it. Well, too bad for you.
    It's funny how YOU are using the "If it saves just one life" excuse with Saddam and COMPLETELY IGNORE all the wrong doings that are going on in the world that the U.S. does NOTHING about.

    Sorry, but I live in the real world and in the real world Bush was the one that decided to go into Iraq. If you don't like the FACT that Bush was ultimately the one who decided to go into Iraq, you can go pound sand because you can't dispute that FACT.

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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    Correct. And had congress said "No", we wouldn't have gone into Iraq. So if you wish to blame that war on Bush fine but in the same sentence you have to equally blame congress. If you wish to address "blame" honestly. I find most people that want to assign "blame" prefer to lie or are just to dumb to know that nothing happened without action from congress.
    See, here's the thing though, even if Congress said YES, if Bush said NO, we wouldn't have gone into Iraq. The last and most important decision was on Bush as HE was the one that decided if we went or didn't go. Can't change that FACT.

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