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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    Not at all.

    No war(congress)+No war(president)=No War
    No War(congress)+Yes War(president)= No War
    Yes War(congress)+Yes War(president)=War

    Now a third grader could understand that. If you can't, ask yourself why.
    A false equation. When congress votes yes war, it's called a declaration of war. Didn't happen.

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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    Sounds like bliss agrees with you.
    Not me. I've read it all.

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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    Not at all.

    No war(congress)+No war(president)=No War
    No War(congress)+Yes War(president)= No War
    Yes War(congress)+Yes War(president)=War

    Now a third grader could understand that. If you can't, ask yourself why.

    When did congress ever declare war?

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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    When did congress ever declare war?
    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley
    ...When congress votes yes war, it's called a declaration of war. Didn't happen.
    Both you TNE, and Boo, are being just a tad bit disingenuous here....I know that in today's world of political division, and derision it is common to not remember what was said, and done yesterday in order to constantly change the goal posts of position, and therefore deny culpability.

    WAR POWERS RESOLUTION

    After the Kennedy, Johnson, and Nixon Administrations spent nearly a decade committing U.S. troops to Southeast Asia without Congressional approval, in 1973 Congress responded by passing the War Powers Resolution. The Resolution sought to halt the erosion of Congress's ability to participate in war-making decisions, an aim furthered by the Resolution's requirement that the President communicate to Congress the commitment of troops within 48 hours. Further, the statute requires the President to remove all troops after 60 days if Congress has not granted an extension.

    Commander in Chief Powers | LII / Legal Information Institute
    To constantly further the liberal progressive argument that Bush on his own placed troops in Iraq, or that he kept them there without congressional approval in the process is dishonest.

    COMMANDER IN CHIEF POWERS POST-9/11

    The terrorist attacks of September 2001 created new complications for the separation of powers within the war powers sphere. After September 11, the United States Congress passed the Authorization for Use of Military Force against Terrorists (AUMF). While the AUMF did not officially declare war, the legislation provided the President with more authority upon which to exercise his constitutional powers as Commander in Chief. As the U.S. Supreme Court explained in Youngstown Sheet & Tube Co. v. Sawyer, Presidential Commander in Chief powers increase when Congressional intent supports the actions taken by the Commander in Chief. The AUMF served as that expression of Congressional intent.
    In this day and age post WWII (where to my knowledge was the last official DoW issued by Congress) the AUMF as ruled by the SCOTUS effectively served as a DoW. You can NOT come in here and argue with any credibility what so ever, that Bush acted unilaterally, or illegally in his prosecution of the War in Iraq without congressional approval, and culpability in the matter, (that includes the democrats in congress as well) with a straight face. It is laughable, and an attempt to re write history period.
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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Both you TNE, and Boo, are being just a tad bit disingenuous here....I know that in today's world of political division, and derision it is common to not remember what was said, and done yesterday in order to constantly change the goal posts of position, and therefore deny culpability.



    To constantly further the liberal progressive argument that Bush on his own placed troops in Iraq, or that he kept them there without congressional approval in the process is dishonest.



    In this day and age post WWII (where to my knowledge was the last official DoW issued by Congress) the AUMF as ruled by the SCOTUS effectively served as a DoW. You can NOT come in here and argue with any credibility what so ever, that Bush acted unilaterally, or illegally in his prosecution of the War in Iraq without congressional approval, and culpability in the matter, (that includes the democrats in congress as well) with a straight face. It is laughable, and an attempt to re write history period.
    Not disingenuous. Because congress has shirked their responsibility before doesn't mean it's no longer shirking. The only way congress can vote for wr is to declare war. If the president can not go to war after the vote, then it is not congresses choice or decision, but the presidents. Part if my argument is that tis needs to stop, and congress needs to do their job.

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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not disingenuous. Because congress has shirked their responsibility before doesn't mean it's no longer shirking. The only way congress can vote for wr is to declare war. If the president can not go to war after the vote, then it is not congresses choice or decision, but the presidents. Part if my argument is that tis needs to stop, and congress needs to do their job.
    I have already shown the flaw in this line of thinking, because you either don't understand it, or don't want to acknowledge the fact is neither my fault, nor do I care much for your feigned ignorance. If, you'd like to discuss Iraq endlessly, then start another thread, this one is for talking about our economic security, and thus to continue down this path after you have been proven to be less than genuine in the debate, is to argue with the leg of a kitchen table....Worthless.
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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I have already shown the flaw in this line of thinking, because you either don't understand it, or don't want to acknowledge the fact is neither my fault, nor do I care much for your feigned ignorance. If, you'd like to discuss Iraq endlessly, then start another thread, this one is for talking about our economic security, and thus to continue down this path after you have been proven to be less than genuine in the debate, is to argue with the leg of a kitchen table....Worthless.
    No, I understand what you said, and what you think is flaw. However, the fact remains, congress did not vote for war. And again you mistake who salted down this track. Hint: it wasn't me.

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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, I understand what you said, and what you think is flaw. However, the fact remains, congress did not vote for war. And again you mistake who salted down this track. Hint: it wasn't me.
    Makes no difference who, only that you perpetuate it.
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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Makes no difference who, only that you perpetuate it.
    And that you choose not to tell that person to start another thread. Wonder what that tells us?

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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Both you TNE, and Boo, are being just a tad bit disingenuous here....I know that in today's world of political division, and derision it is common to not remember what was said, and done yesterday in order to constantly change the goal posts of position, and therefore deny culpability.



    To constantly further the liberal progressive argument that Bush on his own placed troops in Iraq, or that he kept them there without congressional approval in the process is dishonest.



    In this day and age post WWII (where to my knowledge was the last official DoW issued by Congress) the AUMF as ruled by the SCOTUS effectively served as a DoW. You can NOT come in here and argue with any credibility what so ever, that Bush acted unilaterally, or illegally in his prosecution of the War in Iraq without congressional approval, and culpability in the matter, (that includes the democrats in congress as well) with a straight face. It is laughable, and an attempt to re write history period.
    None of that changes the fact that if Bush said "No", we wouldn't have gone into Iraq. Bush is the one that ultimately made the call to go in. You can argue till the cows come how that he was justified in that, but the decision was his regardless. IF he said "No", we wouldn't have gone into Iraq.

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