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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Was this the change you liberal progressives were waiting for? Was this the plan? All this talk, and excuse making for a failed liberal agenda of bringing all boats down in the name of "fairness" is bull****! We are NOT better off with Obama in office! We are NOT recovering under his administration, because that was never the plan. We are in decline, ushered in, and sped up by this progressive trash in the WH for the purpose of bringing this country down, because he can't stand what our place in the world was.

    Don't agree with me? I couldn't care less! IF all you want to do is attack, then do us all a favor and don't post in this thread. If you want to discuss the conclusion of the AP report, then I am listening.
    As I have posted elsewhere, the article linked in the OP is misleading. The lede isn't about current economic conditions, it's talking about what 4 out of 5 people face "at some point in their lives". So if they ever went without a job for a week or so they'd fall into this category.

    Their claim of declining economic security isn't supported by the facts presented. Is it unusual that 4 out of 5 people faced economic insecurity at some point in their lives? I doubt it.

    The poverty level is at 15% and falling. Since 1959 it has been above 11% and has been as high as 15% on a regular basis.

    The middle class is shrinking, but they appear to be going to the upper class (defined as family income > $75,000), not declining into the lower class. This is probably partly due to demographics, the population has grown relatively older and more wealthy. Meanwhile, the proportion of families in the lower class category (< $25,000 family income) has not changed.

    Pretty much in spite of government policy the economy is slowly improving.

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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    He said it before he voted, made his intent clear, and did exactly what he sad he'd do. So, dance all you want, but in this narrow point, it is what it is.
    No dance from me.

    Kerry- War or No War?

    War!

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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    There is nothing to reexamine when hard dates are involved. The clock stops for nothing. Tenet using what he had at the time, got it wrong. I have no doubt had he use of an accurate crystal ball he would have told Bush something else. Maybe the next time it looks like we might go to war, you will let our President use yours.
    No reason for a hard date. There was no imminent threat. You show yourself a fool for having hard dates to begin with. And no, Tenet didn't use anything. Bush did. Most of what was wrong came through Fieth, who according to the AG Inappropriately used intel. Again, the CIA doubted the big three I mentioned. Bush is the one who used the doubted intel. Not Tenet.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    No dance from me.

    Kerry- War or No War?

    War!
    Not the issue we're debating. ANd that was what they voted on. They voted on whether Bush could decide or not. There was no declaration of war.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No reason for a hard date. There was no imminent threat. You show yourself a fool for having hard dates to begin with. And no, Tenet didn't use anything. Bush did. Most of what was wrong came through Fieth, who according to the AG Inappropriately used intel. Again, the CIA doubted the big three I mentioned. Bush is the one who used the doubted intel. Not Tenet.
    Explain to me how Tenet is not CIA?

    Common sense says he was CIA. His title says he was CIA. His pay stub said CIA. The media says he was CIA. He said he was CIA. Congress said he was CIA.

    But you don't seem to want to include him as CIA. I guess it makes the fairy tale you want told sound better.

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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not the issue we're debating. ANd that was what they voted on. They voted on whether Bush could decide or not. There was no declaration of war.
    Bush could decide or not decide what? That's right, War. Kerry voted for War. A no vote would have been against War.

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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    Explain to me how Tenet is not CIA?

    Common sense says he was CIA. His title says he was CIA. His pay stub said CIA. The media says he was CIA. He said he was CIA. Congress said he was CIA.

    But you don't seem to want to include him as CIA. I guess it makes the fairy tale you want told sound better.
    Actually, he is not the intelligence personal, no. And he isn't the one who stood up for the doubted intel. That would be Feith. Absent the three I mentioned, there was no case.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    Bush could decide or not decide what? That's right, War. Kerry voted for War. A no vote would have been against War.
    No. It was not a vote on war. That would require a declaration of war. The just voted to shirk their responsibility. Once it left them, it was all up to the decider. Criticize them for doing not doing their job, and I'm with you. But pretending they voted for war is just dishonest.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Actually, he is not the intelligence personal, no. And he isn't the one who stood up for the doubted intel. That would be Feith. Absent the three I mentioned, there was no case.
    Makes no difference. Tenet was in charge of the CIA. He saw a lot of intel from a lot of people. He made the call as people at the top are required to do. He presented the case to the president as cut and dried. It may be fair to say he overstated his case. But regardless Bush acted on, as all presidents do, what their department heads tell them. Now if you want to fault Bush for being dumb enough to keep anyone on board that Clinton appointed, you'd have a solid point to make.

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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No. It was not a vote on war. That would require a declaration of war. The just voted to shirk their responsibility. Once it left them, it was all up to the decider. Criticize them for doing not doing their job, and I'm with you. But pretending they voted for war is just dishonest.
    Nope. Bush couldn't do it without their approval. They gave it.

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