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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Yes, but then Congress (you know the house that controls the purse and is GOP dominate) could defund ObamaCare if they REALLY wanted to. They don't. What does that say about the GOP?
    How could the house do that?

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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You really have no idea what happened, do you? Bush had to used doubted intel, doubted by the CIA, to lead us to war. You really need to read up as it is quite far down the road for someone to not know this.
    LOL.

    Nobody can have their head stuck so far in the sand that they didn't know about this. Including you.
    George Tenet (CIA Chief) to President Bush about two weeks before the start of the war-"Don't worry, it's a slam-dunk" (on weapons of mass destruction).

    Doesn't sound very doubted by the CIA to me, being George Tenet ran the place. But to a liberal, I understand. Facts or truth don't mean anything.

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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    GM, Honda and Toyota Lead U.S. Auto Sales Gains in July - Bloomberg

    Jobless claims move toward 6-year low

    S&P 500 Over 1700 For First Time As Stocks Pick Up Speed - Forbes

    This all might be more in spite of Obama than because of Obama but the claim that things "are getting worse" is not very valid. The economy is recovering, just as it has in the past.

    These are all todays headlines FYI.

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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    LOL.

    Nobody can have their head stuck so far in the sand that they didn't know about this. Including you.
    George Tenet (CIA Chief) to President Bush about two weeks before the start of the war-"Don't worry, it's a slam-dunk" (on weapons of mass destruction).

    Doesn't sound very doubted by the CIA to me, being George Tenet ran the place. But to a liberal, I understand. Facts or truth don't mean anything.
    Read Tenets book. Even he says the slam dunk comment was about what the public would buy and not the intel. Read imperial hubris. Read up on how the torqued al Libi was doubted by the CIA, but his intel used by the president. Read how the CIA doubted everything from Chalibi and his heroes in error, but it was used by the president. Read up on however hone was warned concerning Curveball, but still he was used. Remove those three, and there is no invasion. And the CIA doubted them.

    Now, I've been specific. Try to give a reasoned rebuttal.

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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Read Tenets book. Even he says the slam dunk comment was about what the public would buy and not the intel. Read imperial hubris. Read up on how the torqued al Libi was doubted by the CIA, but his intel used by the president. Read how the CIA doubted everything from Chalibi and his heroes in error, but it was used by the president. Read up on however hone was warned concerning Curveball, but still he was used. Remove those three, and there is no invasion. And the CIA doubted them.

    Now, I've been specific. Try to give a reasoned rebuttal.
    Lets see, when a wars at stake, "it's a slam dunk". When things get tough, well, "what the public would buy". Nope. No sell. His agency, his responsibility. He got it wrong. But you know what? Given the same circumstances, the same conditions I'd be willing to bet you and I would both make the same mistake he did. Where I would differ, after it was all said and done, I wouldn't make BS excuses about making the mistake. Telling the truth is the only acceptable way to respond to such an error. Not quibbling.

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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    Lets see, when a wars at stake, "it's a slam dunk". When things get tough, well, "what the public would buy". Nope. No sell. His agency, his responsibility. He got it wrong. But you know what? Given the same circumstances, the same conditions I'd be willing to bet you and I would both make the same mistake he did. Where I would differ, after it was all said and done, I wouldn't make BS excuses about making the mistake. Telling the truth is the only acceptable way to respond to such an error. Not quibbling.
    So, you accept what you want to hear, but don't care to examine it further.

    And no, I didn't want a needless war. If like Bush, I said "that's all you got!" I've have paused, re looked at what we had. I would not have been willing to overlook the doubts concerning the intel. And after Chalibis betrayal under Bush I, I'd have never let him play any role ever again.

    So no. You're just making excuses.

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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    All politicians have lied, but that's not the point here. Here we know he did not lie about he'd do. He said he'd oppose Bush if he went outside the UN, and he did. This is merely a fact.
    What he did was vote in favor of authorizing the President to go to war. I'm not sure if the UN was part of his political sideshow after the fact or not because I don't think we were going through the UN for war approval to begin with and I'm to lazy to look it up.
    Either way, just more Kerry nonsense. Bottom line, he voted yes. Then told lie after lie after lie about why he voted yes.

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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    What he did was vote in favor of authorizing the President to go to war. I'm not sure if the UN was part of his political sideshow after the fact or not because I don't think we were going through the UN for war approval to begin with and I'm to lazy to look it up.
    Either way, just more Kerry nonsense. Bottom line, he voted yes. Then told lie after lie after lie about why he voted yes.
    He said it before he voted, made his intent clear, and did exactly what he sad he'd do. So, dance all you want, but in this narrow point, it is what it is.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    yeah right...I mean wrong...there were no WMDs as reliable intelligence said there were none.

    And even when the UN failed to find any WMDs President G W Bush dropped bombs on Iraq anyway as his personal vendetta.
    Even before 9/11 President GW Bush wanted control of Iraq and Iraq's oil fields.

    Iraq: A War of Aggression. No WMDs, No Connection to Al Qaeda


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    Unable to find any WMD or connection between Iraq and the 9/11 attacks, Bush never wavered in his march toward war. "From the very beginning," former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill said on 60 Minutes, "there was a conviction that Saddam Hussein was a bad person and that he needed to go. It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying, 'Go find me a way to do this.'"


    On September 15, 2001, in a meeting at Camp David, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld suggested an attack on Iraq because he was deeply worried about the availability of "good targets in Afghanistan."

    Former Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz argued that war against Iraq might be "easier than against Afghanistan."

    The 9-11 Commission Report noted that as early as September 20, 2001, Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Douglas Feith suggested attacking Iraq in response to the 9/11 attacks. In late November 2001,

    Bush instructed Rumsfeld to develop an Iraq war plan. "What have you got in terms of plans for Iraq?," Bush asked. "What is the status of the war plan? I want you to get on it. I want you to keep it secret."


    In his January 2002 State of the Union Address, Bush declared that countries like Iraq, Iran, and North Korea "constitute an axis of evil . . . These regimes pose a grave and growing danger . . . I will not wait on events, while dangers gather." As early as February 2002, the Bush administration took concrete steps to deploy military troops and assets into Iraq without advising Congress or seeking its approval.

    By late March, Dick Cheney told his fellow Republicans that a decision had been made to invade Iraq. The same month, Bush poked his head into Condoleezza Rice’s office and said, “**** Saddam. We’re taking him out.”

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    Re: Signs of declining economic security

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    So, you accept what you want to hear, but don't care to examine it further.

    And no, I didn't want a needless war. If like Bush, I said "that's all you got!" I've have paused, re looked at what we had. I would not have been willing to overlook the doubts concerning the intel. And after Chalibis betrayal under Bush I, I'd have never let him play any role ever again.

    So no. You're just making excuses.
    There is nothing to reexamine when hard dates are involved. The clock stops for nothing. Tenet using what he had at the time, got it wrong. I have no doubt had he use of an accurate crystal ball he would have told Bush something else. Maybe the next time it looks like we might go to war, you will let our President use yours.

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