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Signs of declining economic security

Yes it was the plan.

If we cant all be middle class, upper middle class or rich then we can all be poor. It's only "fair" right?

What these progressives are doing is attempting to dictate the economy, hence the standard of living, hence the individual.

Progressives are evil, they're nightmares, they're the monsters you see in horror movies - I'm not just saying that either - I don't even view them as humans.

They should be used as lab rats for experimental drugs - oh yeah they are - they love that flu vaccine....

Why would you even post this? You're clearly not interested in debating anything, and you're being stunningly hateful.
 
Why would you even post this? You're clearly not interested in debating anything, and you're being stunningly hateful.

I have no desire to debate the obvious.......

Why am I not surprised you just called me "hateful?" that's how progressives end every idea they have. "You just hate" - I don't "hate" I'm vigilant - I don't blindly trust because I'm educated and I have seen (and read about) societies that blindly trust and they ALL end badly..... The only reason WHY the United States has been so successful is because of our freedoms (Constitution/Bill of Rights) and progressives want to take those civil liberties away and replace them with a ****ing nanny state government(s) which have (if anyone has any education in history) have failed......

Yes I HATE those who do not adhere to the Bill of Rights however, it runs deeper than that.
 
I have no desire to debate the obvious.......

Why am I not surprised you just called me "hateful?" that's how progressives end every idea they have. "You just hate" - I don't "hate" I'm vigilant - I don't blindly trust because I'm educated and I have seen (and read about) societies that blindly trust and they ALL end badly.....

"I don't even view [progressives] as human." You literally said you that. That's hate. Unless you want to take that back because you got caught up in the moment or something, which is understandable, then you were/are being hateful.

The only reason WHY the United States has been so successful is because of our freedoms (Constitution/Bill of Rights) and progressives want to take those civil liberties away and replace them with a ****ing nanny state government(s) which have (if anyone has any education in history) have failed......

We've been successful because of our ability to adapt to change and very able leadership who, in several instances, over-rode the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

I hope that you know the term "progressive" itself only means to seek improvement of the human condition by advances in technology, economic development, social organization, and science. Maybe you're talking about socialists, communists or some other group, but there are certainly progressives who aren't covered by your generalization of the ideology.

Yes I HATE those who do not adhere to the Bill of Rights however, it runs deeper than that.

Hate that runs that deep isn't something to be proud of Mr.Nick.
 
"I don't even view [progressives] as human." You literally said you that. That's hate. Unless you want to take that back because you got caught up in the moment or something, which is understandable, then you were/are being hateful.

Do I need to hate a bug if I step on it?

I would have to care to hate.

Have you not noticed I talk at progressives?

Organisms with limited intelligence make the same mistakes continually over again..... Humans learn from their mistakes without excuse, much like a bug.

I don't think much of bugs to even hate them....

Then again being a bug or being a human is a choice if one actually has that choice.

We've been successful because of our ability to adapt to change and very able leadership who, in several instances, over-rode the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

Yes, a bug. Cockroaches have done the same for 750 million years - that's what bugs do - they survive off whatever is available - eat everything around them then turn to cannibalism until they nearly extinct themselves.

Bugs have put other bugs in a position to feed other bugs and pander to other bugs.

I hope that you know the term "progressive" itself only means to seek improvement of the human condition by advances in technology, economic development, social organization, and science. Maybe you're talking about socialists, communists or some other group, but there are certainly progressives who aren't covered by your generalization of the ideology.

NO, that's not what progress "means" - that's what you and other progressives want the word to eventually mean through "progress."

Your problem is "whole language." Too bad the queen bee doesn't want you to know that -- oh yeah because it keeps the queen bee from being devoured by the worker bees.


Hate that runs that deep isn't something to be proud of Mr.Nick.

Hate?

Well when progressives they're entitled to other individuals property/wealth because the government doesn't steal more from some to just give them free money - yeah I call that HATE er cannibalism ....
 
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Was this the change you liberal progressives were waiting for? Was this the plan? All this talk, and excuse making for a failed liberal agenda of bringing all boats down in the name of "fairness" is bull****! We are NOT better off with Obama in office! We are NOT recovering under his administration, because that was never the plan. We are in decline, ushered in, and sped up by this progressive trash in the WH for the purpose of bringing this country down, because he can't stand what our place in the world was.

Don't agree with me? I couldn't care less! IF all you want to do is attack, then do us all a favor and don't post in this thread. If you want to discuss the conclusion of the AP report, then I am listening.

The problems are not in due to Obama, but is to a monetary system that we partake in. If I am existence only to master the material world and think about self-maximization at all costs, there is going to be some consequences. People can make more money if their product or service is tailored to other markets; so markets across the world become interconnected over time. With money, people have the power to gear regulations to benefit themselves, and once more money is obtained, is easier to accrue more wealth through financial instruments. Money itself, being the breathing blood of societies with a monetary system is means to control and manipulate a whole population. The issuance of debt, not only forces people into a life of labor but promotes the dependence upon money itself. This will result in the gap between the lower and upper class to increase. There is only so much money.

If people were to actually learn about how the banking system works, rather than reading The Odyssey, people would realize how immoral and disgusting our system is. The very loans that you or I owe, is not the bank's money, but is rather their customers. Banks bet on the fact that not everybody is going to withdraw their money at one time, so only a fraction of their deposits can be stored as reserves. The remaining chunk of money, is then issued out to the people; it is the money that was deposited by the people. Not to mention, the balance sheets of all their customers are not affected with this transaction. So essentially, money is created out of thin air. That, plus interest on the loans they issue, are the banks' money. A fraction of that, needs to be paid to The Fed for the FDIC insurance. The rest of the bank's money, which includes their leverage, can be turned to financial instruments to accrue more wealth. The Fed, with all of those deposits from its satellite banks, repeats the process. Only a fraction of this money needs to be issued to other banks because only a fraction of the people are going to need withdrawals. Therefore, they issue loans, whereby more money is literally created out of thin air, but only this time in large quantities. This includes loans to the government, which is pretty much equal to our national deficit. If you take the deficit of the government owing The Fed, that debt is the overall money supply. The Fed also participates in financial instruments, (even creating new ones) as well as issuing loans to other various countries, putting those countries in debt. Here is my point.

1.) Banks use their money to enact a life of oppression to the people.
2.) All debts could be paid in full by the banking sector.

Because the banks use a fractional reserve banking system, the literal cost of all the loans, or credit, is created by the banks. They could very easily use that money to pay themselves. But there are two prime reasons (and there is probably more) that they don't do this. They are:

1.) Forcing people to have to work through the issuance of debt. What's the point of having all the money in the world if I have to make my sandwich at Subway? What about the driver of my taxi? Why would anyone want to clean after themselves if they own the world? The fathers of the banking system used the false assumption that individual gain is the secret to life and set to gain the most themselves.
2.) Stagnation. I think that is the term. Currency would not increase or decrease in value, because money is neither being created nor taken out of the money supply. It would largely depend upon the rate of money circulation rather than physical supply. That doesn't work.

Life doesn't have to be this way. There are ideas already present that could drastically improve how we live. There would be substantially less exploitation of both ourselves and the environment, and the lives of everybody would drastically increase. People could explore more of what makes them human, leading to a more fulfilling life, rather than working a 9-5 sorting out boxes, when we have the know how now to automate mostly anything. And no, it isn't socialism or communism. Just look for it, or think of a system by yourself.

It is the system itself that is to blame. Not the president.
 
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No he didn't. Bush made the call.

So now the head of the CIA did not tell the President that it was a "slam dunk" Iraq had weapons of mass destruction? You liberals will try to twist anything to fit the phony narratives you dream up.
 
It is juvenile **** like this why no one takes you seriously.

LOL... no Redress... if anything it's a lame excuse for Demokrats to close their eyes and ears and use it as an excuse. Plain and simple.

You see, there used to be Big "D" Democrats... now the party is full of "Grosse K" DemoKrats. With the twist of a letter we can correctly define the Republicans opponents. So einfach ist das.

The accuracy and simplicity rolled into one seems to get under Demokrats skin. May I use you as a prime example. :)
 
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You're rebut of what is basically just you saying " Nu-uuuhh" isn't enough to counter our facts.

If that is all you have gotten from my posts, you are not the "intelligent" poster you claim to be. I've criticized Obama plenty, you have not with Bush. In fact, what do you actually hold Bush accountable for?
 
LOL... no Redress... if anything it's a lame excuse for Demokrats to close their eyes and ears and use it as an excuse. Plain and simple.

You see, there used to be Big "D" Democrats... now the party is full of "Grosse K" DemoKrats. With the twist of a letter we can correctly define the Republicans opponents. So einfach ist das.

The accuracy and simplicity rolled into one seems to get under Demokrats skin. May I use you as a prime example. :)

No, now there is a Big "C" for crap conservatives. Noone of importance takes you seriously, your posts are a joke. Blame the Dems, give free passes to Republicans is your mantra.
 
No, now there is a Big "C" for crap conservatives. Noone of importance takes you seriously, your posts are a joke. Blame the Dems, give free passes to Republicans is your mantra.

ROTFLOL... ahhh... you of high esteem and clear thinking have been elected to represent those of "importance"?

My... the faith they have in you... whoever "they" are.
 
So now the head of the CIA did not tell the President that it was a "slam dunk" Iraq had weapons of mass destruction? You liberals will try to twist anything to fit the phony narratives you dream up.

Factually, Tenet did nt tell him that. He said, as verified in his book, that it was a slam dunk to sell to the people. That's all.
 
No authorization from Congress, no war. Kerry voted for war.

Again, you are factually incorrect. The vote merely passed the buck. If it were a vote for war, there would have been a declaration for war. The merely let Bush decide. Now I have issues with that myself, but there's no call you there's to misrepresent what the vote was.
 
Again, you are factually incorrect. The vote merely passed the buck. If it were a vote for war, there would have been a declaration for war. The merely let Bush decide. Now I have issues with that myself, but there's no call you there's to misrepresent what the vote was.

No "misrepresent" on my part at all. Had congress voted for no war, no war. They voted yes and authorized the war. You continue to do the twist and I'll continue to chuckle.
 
No "misrepresent" on my part at all. Had congress voted for no war, no war. They voted yes and authorized the war. You continue to do the twist and I'll continue to chuckle.

Again, that vote only allowed Bush to make the decisions. That's it. In theory, Bush could have decided not to invade. Right?
 
Factually, Tenet did nt tell him that. He said, as verified in his book, that it was a slam dunk to sell to the people. That's all.

Well other reports verified something else. I'll stick with them as they were not trying to make themselves look better at the expense of the truth. Plus I saw an interview and the man himself owned up to which I speak. Not what you speak of. But I'm not surprised that he would later want to change things around some. He was just another of the big mistakes Clinton made and as usual Clintons mistake bit America in the ass.
 
Again, that vote only allowed Bush to make the decisions. That's it. In theory, Bush could have decided not to invade. Right?

Intellectually bankrupt argument.

You do not have Congress vote on going to war (and remember Demokrats in the Senate asked for a SECOND vote) just for fun. It is the most serious vote someone in Congress can make, and ALL know what such a vote means.

All... except you it seems.

Of course, the disgusting Demokrats voted to send to troops (for political expediency), and then when things got rough for the troops, our disgusting Demokrats back stabbed our men and women in the hour of need.
 
Well other reports verified something else. I'll stick with them as they were not trying to make themselves look better at the expense of the truth. Plus I saw an interview and the man himself owned up to which I speak. Not what you speak of. But I'm not surprised that he would later want to change things around some. He was just another of the big mistakes Clinton made and as usual Clintons mistake bit America in the ass.

That too is inaccurate. Minus Chalbi, al Libi, and Curveball, there was nothing new.

And there s nothing any one can own up to. So, your likely being duped.
 
Intellectually bankrupt argument.

You do not have Congress vote on going to war (and remember Demokrats in the Senate asked for a SECOND vote) just for fun. It is the most serious vote someone in Congress can make, and ALL know what such a vote means.

All... except you it seems.

Of course, the disgusting Demokrats voted to send to troops (for political expediency), and then when things got rough for the troops, our disgusting Demokrats back stabbed our men and women in the hour of need.

I see you still have matured enough to spell democrat correctly. Sorry to see that.

The rest of your post is just more nonsense.
 
Again, that vote only allowed Bush to make the decisions. That's it. In theory, Bush could have decided not to invade. Right?

He sure could have. But without their authorization, he couldn't start the war. Congress said, go ahead. But also along those lines, FDR could have never waged war against Japan, ....in theory. I suspect both would have been impeached and convicted had they not, rightfully so. Commander in Chief has a lot of authority but if congress says go to war, only a stupid president wouldn't.
 
That too is inaccurate. Minus Chalbi, al Libi, and Curveball, there was nothing new.

And there s nothing any one can own up to. So, your likely being duped.

No, it's all spot on.

keep on twisting. keep on spinning. But by now you should be or at least need to be aware, the only people that buy into the type spin you sell have spent to much time on the cartoon channel.
 
He sure could have. But without their authorization, he couldn't start the war. Congress said, go ahead. But also along those lines, FDR could have never waged war against Japan, ....in theory. I suspect both would have been impeached and convicted had they not, rightfully so. Commander in Chief has a lot of authority but if congress says go to war, only a stupid president wouldn't.

So you acknowledge exactly what I'm claim. They opened the door for, but did not decide on war. As such, it was not a vote for war, but they allowed him the opportunity to make the decision. The wrong, reckless, stupid decision he made.
 
No, it's all spot on.

keep on twisting. keep on spinning. But by now you should be or at least need to be aware, the only people that buy into the type spin you sell have spent to much time on the cartoon channel.

Hardly. It's all well documented. You just don't want to know. Ignorance is bliss for some I suppose.
 
So you acknowledge exactly what I'm claim. They opened the door for, but did not decide on war. As such, it was not a vote for war, but they allowed him the opportunity to make the decision. The wrong, reckless, stupid decision he made.

Not at all.

No war(congress)+No war(president)=No War
No War(congress)+Yes War(president)= No War
Yes War(congress)+Yes War(president)=War

Now a third grader could understand that. If you can't, ask yourself why.
 
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