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    Re: White House-No more Spending Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Sisyphus View Post
    Will Congress defund HLS or Medicare Part D? If not, who is responsible for them?

    And as an aside, blaming Obama solely for programs created before him, which cannot be defunded given the political realities today, is like blaming Pope Francis for the Spanish Inquisition and not the Archbishop of Seville.
    Congress was under control of the Democrats from 2007 through 2010. Please tell me any cuts Obama or Congress has proposed?

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    Re: White House-No more Spending Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Sisyphus View Post
    Posing a question is not diverting; dodging them is.

    Meanwhile, no. The Executive does not submit a budget, per se. It submits a budget request, or if will: a request for spending authorizations to fund priorities, which can be a range of things, not limited to, but very-much inclusive of stuff urged by former Admins and known to be widely supported in Congress -- and thus must be considered within the context of stuff that has to be paid for.

    For example:

    Bush urged passage of Medicare Part D, a gift to Big Pharma and widely considered one of the worst bills, fiscally, in US history. But it's now there, and must be paid for, and wishing the Boehner Congress to repeal a whopper gift to one of their more beloved special interests is folly. So it's gotta be funded, like it or not.

    Bush Admin overnight, nearly, knee-jerk reaction to 9/11, Home Land Security, the boondoggle to end all boondoggles, whose new HQ will surpass the Pentagon in size. It's far more than we need, but we have it. Also, we have the fear by presidents and the Lege that cutting it is political suicide if some attack were to follow soon after. So once again, like it or not, it's gotta be in there since it's a cost that's not going anywhere.

    So one should ask, if they hate new spending programs, who created what? Who's the real culprit in creating a larger government and the need for more revenue to cover it?

    Shall we parse? You know, drill it down to the actual specifics?
    Greetings, Sisyphus.

    It's ironic that you mentioned Medicare Part D, since I understand that it's the only program that returns money to the Treasury each year! .

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    Re: White House-No more Spending Cuts

    Out till later.

    Housework beckons, darn it!.

    Be well.

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    Re: White House-No more Spending Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, Sisyphus.

    It's ironic that you mentioned Medicare Part D, since I understand that it's the only program that returns money to the Treasury each year! .
    Just goes to show what I have been saying all along that liberals only believe what they are told and never do any research to verify the rhetoric. Once brainwashed it is hard to undo that brainwashing.

    Why Are The Democrats Attacking The Only Successful Part Of Medicare - Forbes

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    Re: White House-No more Spending Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, Sisyphus.

    It's ironic that you mentioned Medicare Part D, since I understand that it's the only program that returns money to the Treasury each year! .
    Wow; that's news to me. How much?

    This might help you tally it: https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/fi...icarePartD.pdf
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    Re: White House-No more Spending Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Sisyphus View Post
    Wow; that's ness to me. How much?

    This might help you tally it: https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/fi...icarePartD.pdf
    Do you understand that CBO takes the information it is given them by the Congress along with Congressional assumptions and come up with an analysis. If the information is inaccurate or the assumptions wrong then the analysis will be wrong. This is a 2011 article and I posted a 2013 article that provides actual specific data. Is it just possible that you have been lied to and don't have all the facts?

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    Re: White House-No more Spending Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Congress was under control of the Democrats from 2007 through 2010. Please tell me any cuts Obama or Congress has proposed?
    so you blame democrats in congress for any problems in 2007-2010, but not the republican controlled house for the problems in 2011-2013.

    kind of a double standard don't you think?

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    Re: White House-No more Spending Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Do you understand that CBO takes the information it is given them by the Congress along with Congressional assumptions and come up with an analysis. If the information is inaccurate or the assumptions wrong then the analysis will be wrong. This is a 2011 article and I posted a 2013 article that provides actual specific data. Is it just possible that you have been lied to and don't have all the facts?

    No. I understand what CBO does: economic analysis so as to inform Congress in the hope that they can vote with benefit of information and not in a vacuum. OMB does the same for the Exec Branch.

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    Re: White House-No more Spending Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    so you blame democrats in congress for any problems in 2007-2010, but not the republican controlled house for the problems in 2011-2013.

    kind of a double standard don't you think?
    Do you know the difference between a Democrat controlled CONGRESS and a Republican controlled HOUSE? You seem to buy what the left tells you but ignore the reality. Please explain to me why there are dozens of bills passed by the House that are sitting in Harry Reid's desk yet it is the Republican House that is called Obstructionist? Want to talk about double standards, first learn the definition and then look in the mirror.

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    Re: White House-No more Spending Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Sisyphus View Post
    No. I understand what CBO does: economic analysis so as to inform Congress in the hope that they can vote with benefit of information and not in a vacuum. OMB does the same for the Exec Branch.
    The CBO is non partisan but does take what the Congress gives them and then provides the analysis. What makes the CBO more accurate than any other independent source that doesn't use Congressional data and assumptions? Did you read the Forbes Article? What in that article is false and is Medicare Part D the albatross that liberals claim or is this just another liberal diversion from their own failures?

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