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Seven killed in Florida

Lol, this is just silly. When did the scourge of progressivism begin to corrupt the nation? Please tell me. :)

about 1935 or so, it was accentuated with LBJ

Let us know what the black rate of illegitimacy was before the great society programs started and what they are now
 
about 1935 or so, it was accentuated with LBJ

Let us know what the black rate of illegitimacy was before the great society programs started and what they are now

Actually, the murder rate rose drastically after 1903, which is when the militia concept was replaced with the National Guard and adult males were no longer "required" to own arms. This disarming of America coincides with the drastic rise in homicide rates.
 
Wow u lot jumped down Paul's throat, its almost like ur defensive about something ;)
 
Something in American culture makes us violent. And I hope that we can definitively identify what that is sooner or later.

Breakfast is the first act of violence every day. We're desensitized and disconnected.
 
Lol, this is just silly. When did the scourge of progressivism begin to corrupt the nation? Please tell me. :)

Early 20th century.
 
A bunch of paranoid people with guns, what could possibly go wrong with that?



Pop goes the weasel.... as usual... you pop in with these insulting comments and pop back out....
 
Maybe the cops should have used that 8 hours to figure out how to terminate the hostile target.
 
What's it to you bub? Should we troll the British news for a random example of something we find unappealing about your country; then post it in here as "Another whatsis for the British to deal with?"

Geez, mind your own beeswax. LOL


Unlike America, our news coverage often leads with an international story. That you, and your ilk, find this to be some 'random story' says so much more about your attitudes than it does me bringing it up. Are you aware of the Train crash in Spain? That's the other main story in the UK at the moment. Insular springs to mind.

Paul
 
about 1935 or so, it was accentuated with LBJ

Let us know what the black rate of illegitimacy was before the great society programs started and what they are now

Probably higher than it is now. The "black family" is a myth.
 
Unlike America, our news coverage often leads with an international story. That you, and your ilk, find this to be some 'random story' says so much more about your attitudes than it does me bringing it up. Are you aware of the Train crash in Spain? That's the other main story in the UK at the moment. Insular springs to mind.

Paul

So your country is boring...go out and tip cows, poke a beehive with a stick, or something.:violin

Hey! Here's an idea; how about starting a thread about how you'd wish there was more gun violence in your own country so you could bitch about it? :bright: LOL
 
So your country is boring...go out and tip cows, poke a beehive with a stick, or something.:violin

So you find these killings exciting?

Hey! Here's an idea; how about starting a thread about how you'd wish there was more gun violence in your own country so you could bitch about it? :bright: LOL

The last time I looked, there was no censorship in place for posting-on issue's around the world-especially 'American-considering we are on an American board.

Paul
 
You bring up a good point for discussion. We do have to "deal with" this problem, and as this forum suggests, there are many different philosophies as to how. Personally, I do not necessarily think more or less guns is the solution. That does not mean that imposing gun control or increasing gun ownership won't have any effect whatsoever, but I do not believe that it will fix the whole picture. I certainly value the 2nd amendment and exercise it. But, I do think it is a culture thing in America. Something in American culture makes us violent. And I hope that we can definitively identify what that is sooner or later.

good luck with that. I agree 100%. I believe tighter gun control would make a significant difference, but I don't think that the cause of gun violence in the US is the availability of guns
 
What's it to you bub? Should we troll the British news for a random example of something we find unappealing about your country; then post it in here as "Another whatsis for the British to deal with?"

Geez, mind your own beeswax. LOL

the british have to deal with the fanfare about the royal birth ... and the creation of rituals where none existed due to a celebrity obsessed media.

you should be grateful.
 
So you find these killings exciting?

Nope, but I find YOUR interest in them irrelevant.

The last time I looked, there was no censorship in place for posting-on issue's around the world-especially 'American-considering we are on an American board.

Didn't say there was. Hence my opinion that your interest in our affairs is meddlesome and serves only to create contention for your amusement. :fueltofir

But no censor I. Just exercising a little of my own freedom or expression. :usflag2:

Carry on. :coffeepap
 
Nope, but I find YOUR interest in them irrelevant.
Considering your 'vast' forum experience, I find that laughable.


Didn't say there was. Hence my opinion that your interest in our affairs is meddlesome and serves only to create contention for your amusement. :fueltofir

My interest in 'World affairs' break what rule? Is this forum not welcoming of debate from participants around the world? Get yourself a passport, there's a big world out there-just waiting to be discovered.

But no censor I. Just exercising a little of my own freedom or expression. :usflag2:

NO, you were trying to suppress my point of view (which, incidentally, I have not given one) over issues pertaining to American gun culture.

Carry on. :coffeepap

And I need your permission why exactly?

Paul
 
are you trying to blame those of us who had nothing to do with it on us. Or is this just another case of a far left socialist trying to tar our second amendment rights with the actions of some nutcase

So, your view is it should simply be accepted that some 'nutjob' is able to have a bad day, and go right ahead and shoot innocent people, and there is nothing to discuss?

Paul
 
So, your view is it should simply be accepted that some 'nutjob' is able to have a bad day, and go right ahead and shoot innocent people, and there is nothing to discuss?

Paul

Demographics of the region say that odds are they were not people or innocent, but liberal/progressive or other type of socialist.

What else can you do but accept that it happened. Unless you presume there was actually some way to prevent it.

Strange, maybe to some, but as our society has become more liberal/progressive/socialistic leaning, we seem to have an increase of "nutjobs having bad days". Maybe we can prevent these nut jobs simply by eliminating all this socialist leftist BS in our society.
 
Demographics of the region say that odds are they were not people or innocent, but liberal/progressive or other type of socialist.

What else can you do but accept that it happened. Unless you presume there was actually some way to prevent it.

Strange, maybe to some, but as our society has become more liberal/progressive/socialistic leaning, we seem to have an increase of "nutjobs having bad days". Maybe we can prevent these nut jobs simply by eliminating all this socialist leftist BS in our society.

seriously - do you have anything showing a causal link between liberal/progressive/socialist leaning policies/people and this kind of thing?

and if you do have it in the US - why is it that countries that are far more liberal/progressive/socialist than the US have such a low incidence of this kind of crime?

get a grip on reality - or an education.
 
seriously - do you have anything showing a causal link between liberal/progressive/socialist leaning policies/people and this kind of thing?

and if you do have it in the US - why is it that countries that are far more liberal/progressive/socialist than the US have such a low incidence of this kind of crime?

get a grip on reality - or an education.

The only correlation in the US would be a timeline showing both the increase in such events and the corresponding increase in the leftist social policies in the US. Circumstantial, true. But then, many things involving society are.

I don't believe there is that much of a lesser percentage of persons going off their nut in those other countries, they just have less affective tools. What the US has led the way on that these other countries have not is the breakup of family values, traditional roles and removing of discipline for children. I don't believe that the left in other countries have embraced those elements nearly to the extent that the US has. Couple this with the leftist ideas of entitlement and such things as welfare which says even a person that contributes nothing is entitled to something and you get a recipe for disaster.

I'm not a leftist, of course I have a grip on reality. If I didn't have at least some grip on reality, then I would be one of the socialist types, i.e. liberal/progressive/retarded moron/etc.
 
seriously - do you have anything showing a causal link between liberal/progressive/socialist leaning policies/people and this kind of thing?

and if you do have it in the US - why is it that countries that are far more liberal/progressive/socialist than the US have such a low incidence of this kind of crime?

get a grip on reality - or an education.

ignore senti

any leftist should be killed by tear gases according to him

but he also claims tear gases dont harm anyone
 
ignore senti

any leftist should be killed by tear gases according to him

but he also claims tear gases dont harm anyone

Nonsense. Any means of killing them is acceptable. But I only acknowledge the acceptability of killing those who don't go to a leftist country and leave decent people alone. If leftist would do that, I would have no problem with them or any reason to want them killed. They are free to go build their own society, they are not free to destroy my society, enslave me and my people or cause harm to my society or it's allies and friends.

I did not say teargas doesn't do harm, I said it is a non-lethal agent. Those killed in Turkey were not killed by teargas but by being hit with the canisters. Getting hit in the head with the canister apparently can cause blunt force trauma, but unless you have asthma or other respiratory problems, the gas itself will not kill you.
 
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