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Seven killed in Florida

marywollstonecraft said:
the murder rate in the US is FAR higher than in comparable nations - and while these mass shootings are shocking, they make up a relatively low proportion of the overall murder rate.

that said - they do occur far more frequently than in other countries (although the worst of these atrocities did not occur in the US) - even taking into account the population size, there are other countries that have populations just as diverse as in the US, and in any case the majority of mass shooting perpetrators are white males.
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Yet it has nothing to do with gun ownership. If you count per-gun or per-gun-owner, we have FAR FEWER murders per-firearm/owner than almost any other nation.

As I've said repeatedly... rates of violent crime are about poverty and wealth inequality; corrupt or inefficient government/law; factions/tribes/gangs; the drug trade; and culture.
 
TurtleDude said:
If you want to argue gun issues you should be aware of basic facts. England's rate of violent crime has increased steadily since the collective garment voiding due to Dunblane
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and can you refer me to any studies that have legitimately linked this to gun control?

a significant factor in increasing violence is alcohol. if guns were more available in the context of alcohol fuelled violence it would be much worse.
 
Mason66 said:
The where doesn't matter.

The US is very much like Mexico in that in most major cities there are gangs who act very much like the cartels, so the comparison is correct.
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so if you think the US is comparable to Mexico, that is fine.

I get the impression there's a lot of people in the US who subscribe to the "culture of honor" mentality that is often found in more violent societies and is common in a number of latin American countries
 
DVSentinel said:
Actually, western Europe, Canada and Australia are supposed to be a lot like us. We were first, they just followed, at least in part, our example.
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no. we are not like you.

thank God!
 
Goshin said:
Yet it has nothing to do with gun ownership. If you count per-gun or per-gun-owner, we have FAR FEWER murders per-firearm/owner than almost any other nation.

As I've said repeatedly... rates of violent crime are about poverty and wealth inequality; corrupt or inefficient government/law; factions/tribes/gangs; the drug trade; and culture.
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I agree with you on this - in relation to the other matter I don't know. We haven't had any of those horrible mass murders since our govt introduced tight gun controls after Port Arthur - and we had a few in the decade or so before that. our culture didn't change though, and since that time we have seen increasing divergence in wealth, and increasing social and ethnic diversity.
 
marywollstonecraft said:
and can you refer me to any studies that have legitimately linked this to gun control?

a significant factor in increasing violence is alcohol. if guns were more available in the context of alcohol fuelled violence it would be much worse.
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I guess you miss the fact that your sainted gun control desires have not helped things

no one has been able to find any evidence that such laws decrease violence in OUR nation
 
TurtleDude said:
I guess you miss the fact that your sainted gun control desires have not helped things

no one has been able to find any evidence that such laws decrease violence in OUR nation
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Well maybe you think that not having mass killings isn't a good thing, but most people would disagree.

studies are inconclusive - as people have suggested, and I tend to agree, there are a number of factors that contribute to the high murder rate in the US.
 
dude was a loner, had anger issues, and had lost his hair due to steroid use. clear case of "roid rage".
 
marywollstonecraft said:
Well maybe you think that not having mass killings isn't a good thing, but most people would disagree.

studies are inconclusive - as people have suggested, and I tend to agree, there are a number of factors that contribute to the high murder rate in the US.
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Lack of morals and no mutual respect.
 
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