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    Re: Paula Deen Allegedly Asked Black Staffers to Dress Like Aunt Jemima

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    and Hooters and Tilted Kilt and a dozen others ask women to dress like whores...so if so what of it? It's called theme... Unless of course people have pushed to have AJ rebranded, I don't recall any such efforts...
    So just so I'm understanding you correctly...

    Having a theme of "Sexy" (albeit in hooters case, sleezy sexy) Women is equivilent and worthy of similar societal outcry as having a theme of "Slave Operated Resturant" and "Planation Diner"?

    That having women dress sexily.....and having black men and women purposefully basically cosplaying Slaves...are pretty much rigth there even with each other?

    Let's see...what does society generally have more of an issue with. Women dressing scantilly and sexy? Slavery?

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    Re: Paula Deen Allegedly Asked Black Staffers to Dress Like Aunt Jemima

    Maybe she just really liked Aunt Jemina syrup.... I mean, I can kinda understand, that is really good stuff.

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    Re: Paula Deen Allegedly Asked Black Staffers to Dress Like Aunt Jemima

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    I know both blacks and whites who collect that Aunt Jemima type kitchen stuff. It is more a southern thing than a race thing, but yankees don't seem to get that.
    I'm a Black man, born and raised in Gary, IN but I now live in the south. You're right in one regard - that Aunt Jemima syrup bottles have become collectors items due to the fact that they have changed over the years, but it's not simply a "southern culture thing" as much as you'd like to believe so. I know people, Blacks and Whites, who have collected the syrup bottles for years and most of them are from up north. Sure, culture plays into it, but collectors know a investment when they see one and race - Black and White - has nothing to do with it. Green(backs), however, does.

    As for this entire Paula Dean issue, it's too easy to use "cultural slang/behavior" to defend yourself (or anyone else for that matter) for bigoted/racist behavior. But no matter how you wish to slice it, bigotry and racism is what it is - bigotry and racism. I like Paula Dean, the TV cooking personality. But the more I learn of Paula Dean, the "cultural bigot/cultural racist", the more I realize that she's a person who really needs sensitivity training. I don't think Paula Dean is hateful or hate-filled person. She likely grow up seeing racist behavior believing that as long as she wasn't overtly racist her actions were okay. I believe her problem stems from her celebrity. It's clear that she's gotten away with doing things like calling grown Black men "boy" or grown Black women "girl" for so long that now that she's famous she believed she could continue doing it and nobody would call her out on it. Asking a Black woman to dress up as Aunt Jemima outside her restaurant ringing a dinner bell indeed! That's a step too far in my book. Someone called her out on her racist behavior and now she's paying for it.

    You can try to hide behind your cultural upbringing all you want where subtle racism is concerned, but sooner or later it's bound to catch up with you. Of course, folks will continue to claim that if you don't like what she's done you don't have to patron her restaurant(s), buy her products or watch her TV shows and you'd be right. But as I said, she's now paying a heavy price for her racial insensitivity.
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    Re: Paula Deen Allegedly Asked Black Staffers to Dress Like Aunt Jemima

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    So just so I'm understanding you correctly...

    Having a theme of "Sexy" (albeit in hooters case, sleezy sexy) Women is equivilent and worthy of similar societal outcry as having a theme of "Slave Operated Resturant" and "Planation Diner"?

    That having women dress sexily.....and having black men and women purposefully basically cosplaying Slaves...are pretty much rigth there even with each other?

    Let's see...what does society generally have more of an issue with. Women dressing scantilly and sexy? Slavery?

    Exploitation is exploitation, no?

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    Re: Paula Deen Allegedly Asked Black Staffers to Dress Like Aunt Jemima

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    See, I kind of disagree with you on Aaron Hernandez, for the same reason I don't have an issue with the media reporting on Paul Deen. When you're a public figure who profitted largely based off the national populations interest in you and what you're doing (in Hernandez's case, as part of the larger "NFL entity) I don't necessarily have an issue with media covering you on a national level.

    Whether or not the AMOUNT of coverage is needed, that's a whole differen tstory and I think could be applied to most news issues. But I don't actually fault the national media for grabbing ahold of an Aaron Hernandez or Paula Deen type story. Is it still being done because it'll create conversatoin and profits? Absolutely.But I think part of WHY it'll do that is because they're a national figure with national recognition and people across the nation will be interested to hear about it singularly because the person is well known.

    The Hernandez situation is really weird all over. It's only a national story because of sports, so you'd think it should just be covered heavily on a national level by sports news. However, it's a freaking MURDER, which almosts feels weird for Sports writers to be writing about as you go there generally wanting the latest break down of the games last sunday and not legal expertise. The whole story situation is such a mess that I think it's a bad example concerning the mediaa in general.
    I'm speaking more to the amount of coverage and how it's covered, rather than the simple fact that it's covered.
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    Re: Paula Deen Allegedly Asked Black Staffers to Dress Like Aunt Jemima

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I think your definition of "inconsequential" is far too narrow. It looks like your defining the "national import" of a story primarily in terms of whether or not people are directly involved in it.
    Not involved in it, but affected in some way.

    It's not really meaningful, it's a distraction from trulymeaningful informmation which does have a direct affect on people, but is also kind of boring. Real news doesn't get ratings most of the time.
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    Re: Paula Deen Allegedly Asked Black Staffers to Dress Like Aunt Jemima

    Is this case really about a uniform?

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    Re: Paula Deen Allegedly Asked Black Staffers to Dress Like Aunt Jemima

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    Exploitation is exploitation, no?
    No. No more than "A Punch is a Punch" or a "Joke is a Joke" or an "Insult is an Insult".

    Things are not absolutes, we do not live in a purely black and white world. There are degrees and context to everything.

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    Re: Paula Deen Allegedly Asked Black Staffers to Dress Like Aunt Jemima

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    No. No more than "A Punch is a Punch" or a "Joke is a Joke" or an "Insult is an Insult".

    Things are not absolutes, we do not live in a purely black and white world. There are degrees and context to everything.

    Right it is ok to exploit women to make a buck right now, this is an accepted norm while a hyper-sensitized populace wants to sensationalize and demonize someone for wanting to make a buck off of the exploitation of traditional dress during a specific time period in Southern Culture.


    If we are going to quantify and relative-ize exploitation than realistically you can't get up in arms about any of it. What you might find reprehensible others might find enjoyable and vice versa.

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    Re: Paula Deen Allegedly Asked Black Staffers to Dress Like Aunt Jemima

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    Right it is ok to exploit women to make a buck right now, this is an accepted norm while a hyper-sensitized populace wants to sensationalize and demonize someone for wanting to make a buck off of the exploitation of traditional dress during a specific time period in Southern Culture.


    If we are going to quantify and relative-ize exploitation than realistically you can't get up in arms about any of it. What you might find reprehensible others might find enjoyable and vice versa.
    Are you effing kidding me??? Are you actually equalizing a restaurant with skantily clad women and trying to capitalize on antebellum "traditions" and "attitudes?" Are you really saying that people can be hyper-sensitized to the systematic, kidnapping, enforced slavery of an their entire race with a fashion statement like a mini-skirt????? Who exactly is "relative-izing" (if such a word even exists in this argument). Paula Deen is not just guilty of using the "N" word. She fostered a culture in her business establishment that fostered racism and racist ideals. The only ones hyper sensitive to that are the neo-confederates.

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