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    Re: Paula Deen Allegedly Asked Black Staffers to Dress Like Aunt Jemima

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Which is funny when you take a macro look at the entire scope of things.

    So often many on the right argue we don't need such stringent laws enforcing racial quotas or standards and such onto businesses with the notion that society and the public, by and large, simply won't accept most of those type of things in any kind of sizable way and that the basic pressure of the market and society would make such policies and actions rarely seen REGARDLESS of laws being in place.

    And so many on the left argue that you can't trust the free market to do it, that there are too many people that tacitly condone racism or let it go on, and that it wouldn't really cause them enough greif to stop them from doing it so we need the government to keep these laws on the books forever and ever because without it we'll just wash away back into the dredges of horrible racism in the marketplace.
    Laws ensure you are punished for violations of basic civil rights and race based abuses. Free market ensures your name ends up on Twitter a few million times. One goes hand in hand with the other. - What? You think you should be able to have race based civil rights violations without being reprimanded by the law?
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    Re: Paula Deen Allegedly Asked Black Staffers to Dress Like Aunt Jemima

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    Re: Paula Deen Allegedly Asked Black Staffers to Dress Like Aunt Jemima

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    What, like their black employees?
    Blacks being good with food is not an insult, and people insulted by associating them with good cooking should go back to their bowls of organic granola.

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    Re: Paula Deen Allegedly Asked Black Staffers to Dress Like Aunt Jemima

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Which is funny when you take a macro look at the entire scope of things.

    So often many on the right argue we don't need such stringent laws enforcing racial quotas or standards and such onto businesses with the notion that society and the public, by and large, simply won't accept most of those type of things in any kind of sizable way and that the basic pressure of the market and society would make such policies and actions rarely seen REGARDLESS of laws being in place.

    And so many on the left argue that you can't trust the free market to do it, that there are too many people that tacitly condone racism or let it go on, and that it wouldn't really cause them enough greif to stop them from doing it so we need the government to keep these laws on the books forever and ever because without it we'll just wash away back into the dredges of horrible racism in the marketplace.

    But here's the catch: The people who claim the free market will take care of these things are often the one's most outraged when the market actually does it. The people who claim that the market alone will not be enough see these people outraged over the free market making it's "correction" and realize that they are the reason that the free market cannot, on it's own, fix the problem.

    Case in point: The Zimmerman thing. That's an example of the free market exploiting the **** out of racial animosity for profit. The controversy generates ratings and ratings generate revenue. "But black people alone are too small of a demographic to really generate serious revenue, so let's piss off white people to make them interested in the case. How can that be done? Appeal to their feelings of victimization with regard to race (victimization that is evidenced by the outrage over the market dealing with racist comments and behaviors, such as those committed by Paula Dean)." The free market formula in effect with regard to race: Exploit racial tensions, generate those ratings, collect all that advertising cash, rinse and repeat when the next major thing happens that can be exploited for financial gain.

    Even this Paula Deen thing is an example of racial tensions being exploited and even promoted for financial gain, just at a smaller level. Most people didn't give a flying **** about who Paula Deen was before this. She's just some dumpy hillbilly broad who makes pie. She's not the first dumpy hillbilly broad who makes pie to say something stupid, and she won't be the last dumpy hillbilly broad who makes pie to say something stupid. Ironically, her "defenders" are the reason why she gets so much play time, though. A rational person would hear what she did and say "Wow, that dumpy hillbilly broad who makes pie sure is a ****ing idiot." and that's the end of it. Bitch loses her job and the world is unharmed in any way. But her defenders nee dot make it about something more than what it is. It's apparently some vast media conspiracy against freedom and ****, so we have to defend this dumb **** before she gets what she deserves for being a ****ing moron.

    Nonsense. It's a vast media conspiracy to make ****ing money. Controversy = profits. The media will do their damnedest to keep racial tensions strong because it's a ****ing cash cow for them. If people do not want it to happen, then they need to stop making it profitable to generate controversy. They shouldn't blame the media for it, they need to blame their own fat asses for planting themselves in front of the TV and generating revenue for the people exploiting the issue for profits. And planting their fat asses in front of FOX or Rush Limbaugh doesn't do it. I guarantee that Rush and Murdoch are ****ing ecstatic about these controversies. They certainly do their best to feed the flames, while talking out the side of their mouth over how horrible the exploitation is. They make a fortune on it.

    And out culture is so ****ing stupid they suck it all in without once paying attention to the game of three-card-monty they are being duped by. "I'm not part of the problem!!! I only watch FOX, not the lamestream media!". That's the ultimate flaw in the free market. It would work perfectly if people weren't ****ing retarded, but unfortunately, since most people are dumber than a box of cat****, it often needs regulatory assistance.

    (Haven't gotten into a good long debate with you in a while, so I figured I'd take my stab at it here )
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    Re: Paula Deen Allegedly Asked Black Staffers to Dress Like Aunt Jemima

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Blacks being good with food is not an insult, and people insulted by associating them with good cooking should go back to their bowls of organic granola.
    Being dressed up like a human stereotype could be construed as insulting to some, if not most, people.
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    Re: Paula Deen Allegedly Asked Black Staffers to Dress Like Aunt Jemima

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    (Haven't gotten into a good long debate with you in a while, so I figured I'd take my stab at it here )
    Sadly won't get it here, I agree with much of what you said. My one disagreement would be with something you didn't even explicitely say, but more simply expanding upon something you said. People having a **** storm and attacking people for being upset about Paula Deen and urging Food Network to fire her (be it directly or through claims of boycotts of sponsors) are a wonderful example of why it may not be best to leave it up just to the free market. But at the same time, the fact someone like Paula Deen CAN lose her job because controversy, once things come to light, can become so huge in such a quick bit of time is a wonderful example of why it also may not be necessary to leave it largely up to significant and sizable government intervention.

    The Market is not the same today as it was 50 years ago, societ yis not the same as it was 50 years ago, I don't think that if laws built around the context of the market and society of 50 years ago were tweaked a bit we'd suddenly descended into a maddening mire of racism run amok and ciivl rights trampled upon all over.

    To me, this is a situation that both simultaneously shows that the knee jerk reaction to any notion of reduction in government regulation of business regarding civil rights (even in the loosest forms) is a bit ridiculous AND that the farther right notion of a complete removal of government regulation of business regarding civil rights because the "market" will take care of it is ALSO a bit ridiculous.

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    Re: Paula Deen Allegedly Asked Black Staffers to Dress Like Aunt Jemima

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    We liberals forced the Food Network to fire her and Alec Baldwin, well, his thing hasn't really blown up yet. You remember the black guy from Grey's Anatomy a few years ago? He went on some homophobic rant and was fired. Mel Gibson? Cee-Lo? Roland Martin? Adam Carolla? Tracy Morgan? There's a huge list of celebrities who've gone down for their homophobic rants.
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    Re: Paula Deen Allegedly Asked Black Staffers to Dress Like Aunt Jemima

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Mel Gibson's rants are just fantasic though. Hell, probably more entertaining then The Beaver or Edge of Darkness.

    And really, Alec's recent little "queen" tirade isn't nearly as interesting of a story than the absolutely ****balls crazy rant on his daughter a few years back.

    Though actor's going bat**** crazy starts going down a whole different alley that isn't just racist/homophobic (and immedietely brings us to Christian Bale's terminator tirade)



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    Re: Paula Deen Allegedly Asked Black Staffers to Dress Like Aunt Jemima

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Sadly won't get it here, I agree with much of what you said. My one disagreement would be with something you didn't even explicitely say, but more simply expanding upon something you said. People having a **** storm and attacking people for being upset about Paula Deen and urging Food Network to fire her (be it directly or through claims of boycotts of sponsors) are a wonderful example of why it may not be best to leave it up just to the free market. But at the same time, the fact someone like Paula Deen CAN lose her job because controversy, once things come to light, can become so huge in such a quick bit of time is a wonderful example of why it also may not be necessary to leave it largely up to significant and sizable government intervention.

    The Market is not the same today as it was 50 years ago, societ yis not the same as it was 50 years ago, I don't think that if laws built around the context of the market and society of 50 years ago were tweaked a bit we'd suddenly descended into a maddening mire of racism run amok and ciivl rights trampled upon all over.

    To me, this is a situation that both simultaneously shows that the knee jerk reaction to any notion of reduction in government regulation of business regarding civil rights (even in the loosest forms) is a bit ridiculous AND that the farther right notion of a complete removal of government regulation of business regarding civil rights because the "market" will take care of it is ALSO a bit ridiculous.
    Damnit, I wanted a big wall o' text debate. We'll just have to agree to agree, I guess.

    On a side note, I bet that dumpy bitch makes some really good pie.
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