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Feds Raid Pot Dispensaries in Washington, Where the Drug is Legal

I don't think anyone claims MJ cures cancer, HB. It's for pain relief and anti-nausea. Actually, it's hard for me to believe there's anything better than morphine for cancer pain. And as for nausea? There's very effective anti-nausea medication available that won't get people arrested.

Now. If cancer patients want MJ to relax? Get their minds off their illness? That's something else again. But no one will convince me that MJ relieves cancer pain.

Some of the anti-nausea medicines go for $1000 a pop. I had to get one once. The shot was $1000! Just crazy expensive.
 
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Actually, it's hard for me to believe there's anything better than morphine for cancer pain.

By getting you higher than you ever will be on cannabis. Side effects including severe addiction (for which the withdraw period can lead to death) and disorientation do not occur with cannabis use.

And as for nausea? There's very effective anti-nausea medication available that won't get people arrested.

Again, with what side effects?

But no one will convince me that MJ relieves cancer pain.

This article of the month presents results of a clinical study conducted in the UK and Romania,
which evaluated the efficacy of a THC:CBD cannabis extract (Sativex®) and a THC cannabis extract
in the treatment of 177 patients with cancer pain, who experienced inadequate pain reduction
despite intake of opioids [Johnson et al. J Pain Symptom Manage, 2010, in press]. Sativex resulted
in a significant improvement of mean pain scores on a primary outcome measure, a Numerical
Rating Scale (NRS) from 0 to 10 compared to placebo (improvement of -1.37 versus -0.69), while
the THC extract caused a non-significant improvement (-1.01). Conversely, there was a significant
improvement in total pain according to the Brief Pain Inventory-Short Form in the THC-group
compared to placebo but a non-significant improvement following Sativex.

Keywords: cannabis, THC, cannabidiol, chronic pain, cancer, clinical trial.

Source:

Grotenhermen, Franjo. "Cannabinoids in cancer pain." Cannabinoids 5, no. 1 (2010): 1-3.
 
I don't think anyone claims MJ cures cancer, HB. It's for pain relief and anti-nausea. Actually, it's hard for me to believe there's anything better than morphine for cancer pain. And as for nausea? There's very effective anti-nausea medication available that won't get people arrested.

Now. If cancer patients want MJ to relax? Get their minds off their illness? That's something else again. But no one will convince me that MJ relieves cancer pain.

The doc prescribed one of those anti nausea meds for my mom a few years back. The cost was $400 a month for the prescription, this for an elderly couple living on social security and modest savings.

Which might give us another clue as to who is anti legalization and why.
 
The federal government strikes yet another blow towards protecting us from ourselves and making sure that we continue to have a quarter of the world's prisoners right here in the bastion of liberty.

Does anyone in Washington understand that the war on drugs isn't working? Does anyone care?

The Wars on Drugs, and the War on Terror for that matter, is big business and Washington hearts big business.
 
Because national drug laws trump state drug laws. If a state wants to waste its time letting people vote on it, then it doesn't make it any less illegal.

Big government wins again.
 
I don't think anyone claims MJ cures cancer, HB. It's for pain relief and anti-nausea. Actually, it's hard for me to believe there's anything better than morphine for cancer pain. And as for nausea? There's very effective anti-nausea medication available that won't get people arrested.

Now. If cancer patients want MJ to relax? Get their minds off their illness? That's something else again. But no one will convince me that MJ relieves cancer pain.

Yeah, but they all have side effects, while marijuana really doesn't have any side effects. Why shouldn't they be able to use it for their chemo related pain?
 
The Wars on Drugs, and the War on Terror for that matter, is big business and Washington hearts big business.

Yes, it does, and big business that gives an excuse to increase the size and power of the central government is their favorite love of all.
 
I wish pot legalization people would just be honest with everyone and just admit that they support it because they want to get stoned. If medical science extracted all the anti-cancer canabanoids, concentrated them and delivered them in a pill form that doesn't get you high would it be OK to ban the smoking of marijuana? I'm pretty sure same cadre of pot smokers would still be fighting for legalization of pot smoking.

Research shows pharmaceutical cannabis medication is not as effective as raw cannabis consumption. Besides, smoking is dirty. All you need is a
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I wish pot legalization people would just be honest with everyone and just admit that they support it because they want to get stoned.

Or, perhaps because they don't enjoy paying for a quarter of the world's prisoners.

If medical science extracted all the anti-cancer canabanoids, concentrated them and delivered them in a pill form that doesn't get you high would it be OK to ban the smoking of marijuana? I'm pretty sure same cadre of pot smokers would still be fighting for legalization of pot smoking.

Yes, and the pharmaceutical companies would charge $500 a pill.
 
I happen to agree with marijuana legalization but in spite of that, I just couldn't help laughing out loud when I read the article linked in the OP.



Am I the only one who hears the sad violin music being played in the background? Cancer patients? Give me a break. I lived in Olympia for 2 years back in the 90's and have many freinds from there to this day. It's weed culture central. If people want to smoke pot and make it legal, fine. Go for it. Just don't try to hide behind some transparent mumbo jumbo about wanting to help the sick. Be honest about it and just admit that you enjoy catching a good buzz.

Cancer patients.... that's just TFF. Cue the poor starving children in 5... 4... 3...

When my mother was fighting the long and very brave battle she fought against cancer chemo made her extremely ill and nauseous. It took many of the good days she might have had nearing what became the end of her life. Her oncologist told her off the record that pot, if she was so inclined, would greatly ease the effects of chemo and allow her to live much greater physical and emotional comfort. We begged our mother to smoke or eat pot. She refused because it was against the law. She would not, she said, because she did not condone anything that would require her sons to break the law. It broke our hearts.

There actually are people who do care about the wellbeing of others. It may not exist in the people you run with, but altruism still exists.
 


What happened to this? Skip to 0:36.


Haven't we all learned by now that Obama doesn't call the shots in Washington? I'm serious.

Big business runs America and it will continue to do so with whomever replaces Obama in 2016.
 
The federal government strikes yet another blow towards protecting us from ourselves and making sure that we continue to have a quarter of the world's prisoners right here in the bastion of liberty.

Does anyone in Washington understand that the war on drugs isn't working? Does anyone care?

What better way for government to laundry taxpayer money?
 
So why let people vote on making it legal if it's still going to be illegal either way? And don't you think cancer patients have an inalienable right to the only natural medicine known and proven to have the ability to damage and kill cancer cells? I mean, why spend all these billions of dollars on finding a cure for cancer if it's just going to be made illegal anyway?

Because states can have referendums as they wish, but they do not trump federal law. It's only real affect is to put the Federal Government on notice that folks want change. If more states "legalize" it, then the Federal Government is likely to catch on and modify Federal Laws.

Also, it has a benefit to my state since state and local police are called off the hunt, thus reducing the costs of courts, jails, prisons, for the state and local municipalities.

And as an aside, I suspect the Federal Government will be slow to let go of pot, since the idiot war on drugs has created a large government bureaucracy, about half of which is due to pot being on their list. So legalize pot and DEA can hand our pinks slips, en masse, which they'll fight like hell to avoid having to do.
 
You can't say "straight up kills" and then provide evidence that it "may kill". There are lots of pharmaceuticals that "may" accomplish a medicinal goal, but until they've been studied beyond the "may" level and then gone through the FDA process can you start making your "straight up kills" claim. And these potential medicinal effects are most certainly not being delivered effectively in carcinogen filled smoke anyway.

What smoking pot DOES do is "straight up" cause lung cancer.

Nope. Study Demonstrates Smoking Pot Doesn't Cause Lung Cancer.
 
When my mother was fighting the long and very brave battle she fought against cancer chemo made her extremely ill and nauseous. It took many of the good days she might have had nearing what became the end of her life. Her oncologist told her off the record that pot, if she was so inclined, would greatly ease the effects of chemo and allow her to live much greater physical and emotional comfort. We begged our mother to smoke or eat pot. She refused because it was against the law. She would not, she said, because she did not condone anything that would require her sons to break the law. It broke our hearts.

There actually are people who do care about the wellbeing of others. It may not exist in the people you run with, but altruism still exists.
Don't make the mistake of believing that you can't both care about others and recognize the reality of a situation at the same time. My mother is a cancer survivor.
 
Nobody gives a rat's ass about your suffering. America isn't the worst in that respect. It's hard enough to get a scrip for pain meds but in Africa, they don't even have them because they're afraid of addiction. So cancer patients simply scream themselves to death.

Governments are insane and cruel. I'm sure you all know that already.

Marijuana does not "cure" cancer. It's just another light-weight version of pain meds. That it's illegal is stupid but stupid is popular. Your rights end where the government rights begin.


So you don't believe that human beings should have a basic inalienable right to medicine? Again I ask, what's the point in spending billions upon billions of your dollars on finding a cure to cancer, when the only known natural cure has already been outlawed? Logically, if they make a new cure and find it's easily grown and can get you high, that will end up being illegal too.

Where does a nation's right to create drug laws end and a human's right to potentially life saving medicine begin?
 
Because states can have referendums as they wish, but they do not trump federal law. It's only real affect is to put the Federal Government on notice that folks want change. If more states "legalize" it, then the Federal Government is likely to catch on and modify Federal Laws.

Also, it has a benefit to my state since state and local police are called off the hunt, thus reducing the costs of courts, jails, prisons, for the state and local municipalities.

And as an aside, I suspect the Federal Government will be slow to let go of pot, since the idiot war on drugs has created a large government bureaucracy, about half of which is due to pot being on their list. So legalize pot and DEA can hand our pinks slips, en masse, which they'll fight like hell to avoid having to do.

About that Federal War on Drugs. The FED is in control of Afghanistan and has been since 2003. During our administration of that Nation opium production has gone from 270 tons per year under the Taliban to 9000 tons per year under our Federal administration. I think they are fighting the drug war in the wrong country, but that doesn't help militarize local police forces, I guess.
 
I carpooled with a DOJ employee recently. I said "you guys must not have much to do since you have the time to bust medical cannabis clubs. I guess there aren't any serious crimes to spend your time on."
 
I carpooled with a DOJ employee recently. I said "you guys must not have much to do since you have the time to bust medical cannabis clubs. I guess there aren't any serious crimes to spend your time on."

That must have made you popular.

It is a good observation, though. If they have time to spend on busting pot clubs, there must not be any serous crimes to deal with.
 
Sounds like the local sheriff had a lack of balls problem. The federal agents should have been arrested and held without bond. Find a felony to charge them with that would negate their firearm ownership and end their carriers. Repeat until the federal government figures out that people are tired of their over reaching.
 
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