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    Re: Feds Raid Pot Dispensaries in Washington, Where the Drug is Legal

    The other element of the story is "guns drawn." No reason for that.

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    Re: Feds Raid Pot Dispensaries in Washington, Where the Drug is Legal

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    No, it straight up kills certain types of cancer cells, and severely damages others, all while leaving (or possibly even actively protecting) the healthy cells. This has been proven beyond any doubt.
    Actually reading over that link, it hardly states anything conclusive.

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    Re: Feds Raid Pot Dispensaries in Washington, Where the Drug is Legal

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    Agreed. I did a quick search and found some articles on the subject. At this stage imo MJ is not a proven cure.
    Indeed, the page he links to is rather clear about this, as well. But some MJ advocates see the stuff as a wonder cure for everything, from economics, to medical.

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    Re: Feds Raid Pot Dispensaries in Washington, Where the Drug is Legal

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    Indeed, the page he links to is rather clear about this, as well. But some MJ advocates see the stuff as a wonder cure for everything, from economics, to medical.
    way back when I was in my early 20's, I got more of a buzz from beer than I did from MJ. Tried a few times, just didn't see the point.

    For those who have a true medical need and MJ relieves the pain or allows them to cope better, I have no problem with it.

    IMO, what is happening is some people are getting a medical MJ card and basically using it for legal recreational use.

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    Re: Feds Raid Pot Dispensaries in Washington, Where the Drug is Legal

    Quote Originally Posted by HumanBeing View Post
    "One of the dispensaries was the Bayside Collective in Olympia, the state capital, where seven government vehicles converged Wednesday morning. Agents with guns drawn seized business records and about $2,500 worth of marijuana intended for cancer patients"

    Feds Raid Pot Dispensaries in Washington, Where the Drug is Legal

    I'd make some snarky comment, but I'm not in the mood. I'm just too disgusted.
    absolutely and completely unacceptable. makes this statement an outright lie :

    Obama Won’t Go After State Marijuana Legalization: ‘We Have Bigger Fish To Fry’

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    Re: Feds Raid Pot Dispensaries in Washington, Where the Drug is Legal

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    way back when I was in my early 20's, I got more of a buzz from beer than I did from MJ. Tried a few times, just didn't see the point.

    For those who have a true medical need and MJ relieves the pain or allows them to cope better, I have no problem with it.

    IMO, what is happening is some people are getting a medical MJ card and basically using it for legal recreational use.
    My only problem with that is I see it as an instance of people exploiting the sick, who might find legitimate benefits to the program. Otherwise, I don't care if someone smokes pot, and certainly rather not waste money on putting people through the courts for it and in prison

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    Re: Feds Raid Pot Dispensaries in Washington, Where the Drug is Legal

    This issue needs to be taken to the Supreme Court. The Fed needs to be enlightened to the fact that it does not have the Constitutional authority to implement or enforce the drug laws as they are currently written.

    In the meantime, Americans have a civic duty to disobey Unconstitutional laws until they are repealed. So I'll be doing my part!

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    Re: Feds Raid Pot Dispensaries in Washington, Where the Drug is Legal

    Since the DEA's not commenting on the details of the case, it's not fair to judge them. Just because someone is selling pot to cancer patients doesn't mean they are do-gooding Florence Nightingale's. Whether anyone likes it or not, marijuana is a Schedule I drug on the federal controlled substances list, and it does not appear that state rights trump federal law in this case. Even if it is de-scheduled it will still need legal oversight on the federal level to keep it out of the hands of minors.
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    Re: Feds Raid Pot Dispensaries in Washington, Where the Drug is Legal

    IMO, what is happening is some people are getting a medical MJ card and basically using it for legal recreational use.
    As they should. Gov't needs to butt out of our lives. Its ridiculous you need a medical card to smoke a harmless plant.

    There will be bad apples that gives the decent people who use a bad name, but thats with anything, and not a very good argument against legalizing pot.

    Financially it is a wonder drug. If we could farm hemp we wouldn't have to cut down whole forests. If we could legally buy and sell marijuana, the poverty level of those who use would drop since they aren't spending half their check on something they can easily grow in their backyard.

    Medically it is way better at curbing certain symptoms than all pharmaceuticals.

    It has to be one of the most useful plants on earth, and its illegal. It can be used for many purposes i.e. cloth, paper, plastic, fiber, cosmetics, medicine, food production, and it is very easy and cheap to grow. Its a weed for gosh golly. That is how messed up we have become. Money and power trump logic and reasoning.

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    Re: Feds Raid Pot Dispensaries in Washington, Where the Drug is Legal

    Quote Originally Posted by HumanBeing View Post
    I didn't overstate anything. I said it kills cancer cells, it does. That makes it a viable treatment. Chemotherapy works in the same way, but with the massive difference that chemo also kills healthy cells, whereas canabinoids only attack the cancerous cells while protecting the healthy ones. Given the billions upon billions of dollars that have been spent on creating synthetic compounds that do the same thing but with far worse side effects, there is no excuse to prevent cancer patients from access to this medicine.


    That's the second thread where you've used this as a fallback argument to counter questions of ethics. It's bad for a number of reasons. The main one is that it doesn't mean anything. I asked whether you think people should have a basic inalienable right to medicine, and your response was basically "well they don't, so that's that". That isn't really an argument or a debate, and it doesn't answer the question.

    Another problem with it is what would happen if someone actually called you out on it. It happens from time to time, people get told their whole lives that their voices and opinions are irrelevant unless they can back it up with mass violence to get their way. It's arguments like that which contrubite towards the creation of the Ted Kaczynski's of this world. If your only argument for weed to be illegal is that you have the will, power, and violent intent to make it so, then I think you should just accept that you don't have an argument at all.
    If you read through medical journals killing cells is not the only consideration. It's all a bit more technical than that. Killing cells is easy. Killing them effectively, without other damage, in low enough doses and that lead to a cured or remission, that's the goal. They use words even in what you linked like maybe, possibly and not anything as definitive as you suggest. So you do overstate.

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