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    Re: Feds Raid Pot Dispensaries in Washington, Where the Drug is Legal

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Because national drug laws trump state drug laws. If a state wants to waste its time letting people vote on it, then it doesn't make it any less illegal.
    The same people who complain about the federal law taking precedence over the state laws, regarding marijuana, are the same people who praise federal laws, taking precedence of state laws, when it comes to abortion.

    Just sayin'....

    But the federales are sending mixed messages. This current administration has instructed the DOJ to honor the state laws, regarding marijuana, giving the signal that they won't enforce federal laws where states have legalized the usage. Then people make the effort to organized the industry in compliance with said state laws only to find the fed's kicking in their doors.

    Reminds me of Lucy and Charlie Brown, kicking the football. ARRRRGGHHH!

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    Re: Feds Raid Pot Dispensaries in Washington, Where the Drug is Legal

    Quote Originally Posted by HumanBeing View Post
    No, it straight up kills certain types of cancer cells, and severely damages others, all while leaving (or possibly even actively protecting) the healthy cells. This has been proven beyond any doubt.

     
    "Cannabinoids may cause antitumor effects by various mechanisms, including induction of cell death, inhibition of cell growth, and inhibition of tumor angiogenesis invasion and metastasis.[9-12] One review summarizes the molecular mechanisms of action of cannabinoids as antitumor agents.[13] Cannabinoids appear to kill tumor cells but do not affect their nontransformed counterparts and may even protect them from cell death. These compounds have been shown to induce apoptosis in glioma cells in culture and induce regression of glioma tumors in mice and rats. Cannabinoids protect normal glial cells of astroglial and oligodendroglial lineages from apoptosis mediated by the CB1 receptor.[14]"
    Cannabis and Cannabinoids (PDQ) - National Cancer Institute

    That's why people prefer it over chemotherapy, because chemo kills ALL the cells including the healthy ones. Cannabinoids only destroy the cancerous cells while actively protecting the healthy ones. Pretty cool stuff




    It's hard to see how someone who is usually so reasonable would say something so absurd
    Obviously you don't have a science background, because if you did, you wouldn't be claiming that it has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

    Here, let me give you some key words and phrases out of your quote that will help you out. "may cause," "one review, "appear," "in mice and rats." Hardly "proven beyond a reasonable doubt."

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    Re: Feds Raid Pot Dispensaries in Washington, Where the Drug is Legal

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    I happen to agree with marijuana legalization but in spite of that, I just couldn't help laughing out loud when I read the article linked in the OP.



    Am I the only one who hears the sad violin music being played in the background? Cancer patients? Give me a break. I lived in Olympia for 2 years back in the 90's and have many freinds from there to this day. It's weed culture central. If people want to smoke pot and make it legal, fine. Go for it. Just don't try to hide behind some transparent mumbo jumbo about wanting to help the sick. Be honest about it and just admit that you enjoy catching a good buzz.

    Cancer patients.... that's just TFF. Cue the poor starving children in 5... 4... 3...
    Although plenty of healthy people take advantage of pot clubs to obtain their cannabis, there are many sick people who use cannabis and find it helpful. It is important for them to prevent nausea from chemotherapy, relief of joint and muscular pain and for stress relief. I don't necessarily believe it has much other therapeutic value, except for Glaucoma.

    By the way, no one has gotten lung cancer from cannabis. Unless proof is provided, that claim needs to be considered a lie.

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    Re: Feds Raid Pot Dispensaries in Washington, Where the Drug is Legal

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Although plenty of healthy people take advantage of pot clubs to obtain their cannabis, there are many sick people who use cannabis and find it helpful. It is important for them to prevent nausea from chemotherapy, relief of joint and muscular pain and for stress relief. I don't necessarily believe it has much other therapeutic value, except for Glaucoma.

    By the way, no one has gotten lung cancer from cannabis. Unless proof is provided, that claim needs to be considered a lie.
    This whole issue could be simple power politics and the Fed is just trying to prove to local police that the Fed is in charge. I don't agree with that, but I really think that it is the underlying issue. A previous poster said the local police should arrest those Feds for a felony, find them guilty and they will no longer be allowed to carry firearms, so their usefulness will be limited. That's a good idea.

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    Re: Feds Raid Pot Dispensaries in Washington, Where the Drug is Legal

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Although plenty of healthy people take advantage of pot clubs to obtain their cannabis, there are many sick people who use cannabis and find it helpful. It is important for them to prevent nausea from chemotherapy, relief of joint and muscular pain and for stress relief. I don't necessarily believe it has much other therapeutic value, except for Glaucoma.

    By the way, no one has gotten lung cancer from cannabis. Unless proof is provided, that claim needs to be considered a lie.
    Where did I claim that smoking pot causes cancer?

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    Re: Feds Raid Pot Dispensaries in Washington, Where the Drug is Legal

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    The same people who complain about the federal law taking precedence over the state laws, regarding marijuana, are the same people who praise federal laws, taking precedence of state laws, when it comes to abortion.
    Federal protection for abortion rights is protecting our right to privacy as specified in the Bill of Rights. (that was the basis for the Roe v Wade decision) There is no constitutional mandate for the feds to ban cannabis and rights are being taken away, not protected.

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    Re: Feds Raid Pot Dispensaries in Washington, Where the Drug is Legal

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    Where did I claim that smoking pot causes cancer?
    You didn't make that claim, and I didn't intend to create the impression that you did. It was jmotivator who made the smoking pot causes lung cancer claim.

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    Re: Feds Raid Pot Dispensaries in Washington, Where the Drug is Legal

    Quote Originally Posted by HumanBeing View Post
    "One of the dispensaries was the Bayside Collective in Olympia, the state capital, where seven government vehicles converged Wednesday morning. Agents with guns drawn seized business records and about $2,500 worth of marijuana intended for cancer patients"

    Feds Raid Pot Dispensaries in Washington, Where the Drug is Legal

    I'd make some snarky comment, but I'm not in the mood. I'm just too disgusted.
    it's legal at the state level. Federally they can still **** you. Though application seems rather arbitrary and random

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    Re: Feds Raid Pot Dispensaries in Washington, Where the Drug is Legal

    Quote Originally Posted by HumanBeing View Post
    So why let people vote on making it legal if it's still going to be illegal either way? And don't you think cancer patients have an inalienable right to the only natural medicine known and proven to have the ability to damage and kill cancer cells? I mean, why spend all these billions of dollars on finding a cure for cancer if it's just going to be made illegal anyway?
    Meh, I support legalization of MJ, especially for medical use. But these programs are hardly distributing to people with clear medical needs. Certainly this dispensary might be different (some are very well regulated internally). But in general, not so much

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    Re: Feds Raid Pot Dispensaries in Washington, Where the Drug is Legal

    Quote Originally Posted by HumanBeing View Post
    So why let people vote on making it legal if it's still going to be illegal either way? And don't you think cancer patients have an inalienable right to the only natural medicine known and proven to have the ability to damage and kill cancer cells? I mean, why spend all these billions of dollars on finding a cure for cancer if it's just going to be made illegal anyway?
    No, it a cancer cure makes billions of dollars for the drug and medical industries it will definitely be made legal - likely whether or not it cures cancer.

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