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    Re: Feds Raid Pot Dispensaries in Washington, Where the Drug is Legal

    Quote Originally Posted by douglas View Post
    Apparently the feds rather let sick people suffer and die than let even one "drug" bust go. It's truly disgusting.
    There are a dozen or so bills floating around the house that would stop this from happening, but they don't seem to have any real momentum. I swear, if every pot smoking hippie would just send a letter or two to congress, it'd be legal by 2014. It's the curse of a silent majority.

    A exerpt from that letter follows....." Man, Dude's wy do you keep hassling us Man ? Pot is helthy Man, it's medecin Dude. My Dealer says so. He's a certifyd medicinal Shaman from the Green Earth tribe so he nows Man. Pot helps me concontrate man and its good for the enviroment so wy dont you pigs lay off ?
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    Re: Feds Raid Pot Dispensaries in Washington, Where the Drug is Legal

    Quote Originally Posted by HumanBeing View Post
    No, it straight up kills certain types of cancer cells, and severely damages others, all while leaving (or possibly even actively protecting) the healthy cells. This has been proven beyond any doubt.

     
    "Cannabinoids may cause antitumor effects by various mechanisms, including induction of cell death, inhibition of cell growth, and inhibition of tumor angiogenesis invasion and metastasis.[9-12] One review summarizes the molecular mechanisms of action of cannabinoids as antitumor agents.[13] Cannabinoids appear to kill tumor cells but do not affect their nontransformed counterparts and may even protect them from cell death. These compounds have been shown to induce apoptosis in glioma cells in culture and induce regression of glioma tumors in mice and rats. Cannabinoids protect normal glial cells of astroglial and oligodendroglial lineages from apoptosis mediated by the CB1 receptor.[14]"
    Cannabis and Cannabinoids (PDQ®) - National Cancer Institute

    That's why people prefer it over chemotherapy, because chemo kills ALL the cells including the healthy ones. Cannabinoids only destroy the cancerous cells while actively protecting the healthy ones. Pretty cool stuff




    It's hard to see how someone who is usually so reasonable would say something so absurd


    You can't say "straight up kills" and then provide evidence that it "may kill". There are lots of pharmaceuticals that "may" accomplish a medicinal goal, but until they've been studied beyond the "may" level and then gone through the FDA process can you start making your "straight up kills" claim. And these potential medicinal effects are most certainly not being delivered effectively in carcinogen filled smoke anyway.

    What smoking pot DOES do is "straight up" cause lung cancer.

    It's like taking the medicinal use of aspirin and using it to justify smoking the myrtle plant.

    I wish pot legalization people would just be honest with everyone and just admit that they support it because they want to get stoned. If medical science extracted all the anti-cancer canabanoids, concentrated them and delivered them in a pill form that doesn't get you high would it be OK to ban the smoking of marijuana? I'm pretty sure same cadre of pot smokers would still be fighting for legalization of pot smoking.

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    Re: Feds Raid Pot Dispensaries in Washington, Where the Drug is Legal

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    I wish pot legalization people would just be honest with everyone and just admit that they support it because they want to get stoned. If medical science extracted all the anti-cancer canabanoids, concentrated them and delivered them in a pill form that doesn't get you high would it be OK to ban the smoking of marijuana? I'm pretty sure same cadre of pot smokers would still be fighting for legalization of pot smoking.
    Yes, I want legalization because I want to smoke it. The added health benefits are a plus. Happy now?
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    Re: Feds Raid Pot Dispensaries in Washington, Where the Drug is Legal

    I happen to agree with marijuana legalization but in spite of that, I just couldn't help laughing out loud when I read the article linked in the OP.

    One of the dispensaries was the Bayside Collective in Olympia, the state capital, where seven government vehicles converged Wednesday morning. Agents with guns drawn seized business records and about $2,500 worth of marijuana intended for cancer patients, Casey Lee, who works at the clinic, [said]. "It's humiliating," Lee said. "They don't get to see the cancer patients."
    Am I the only one who hears the sad violin music being played in the background? Cancer patients? Give me a break. I lived in Olympia for 2 years back in the 90's and have many freinds from there to this day. It's weed culture central. If people want to smoke pot and make it legal, fine. Go for it. Just don't try to hide behind some transparent mumbo jumbo about wanting to help the sick. Be honest about it and just admit that you enjoy catching a good buzz.

    Cancer patients.... that's just TFF. Cue the poor starving children in 5... 4... 3...

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    Re: Feds Raid Pot Dispensaries in Washington, Where the Drug is Legal

    Quote Originally Posted by HumanBeing View Post
    So why let people vote on making it legal if it's still going to be illegal either way? And don't you think cancer patients have an inalienable right to the only natural medicine known and proven to have the ability to damage and kill cancer cells? I mean, why spend all these billions of dollars on finding a cure for cancer if it's just going to be made illegal anyway?
    I realize that the owner/manager spoke about the cancer patients to pull at heart strings and make it sound noble But... just wondering.. what percentage of his clientele would you guess are cancer patients rather then just someone with supposed headaches or pain?

    Edit: Just read Jack Fabulous's response, and it is close to what I was going for.

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    Re: Feds Raid Pot Dispensaries in Washington, Where the Drug is Legal

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I don't think anyone claims MJ cures cancer, HB. It's for pain relief and anti-nausea. Actually, it's hard for me to believe there's anything better than morphine for cancer pain. And as for nausea? There's very effective anti-nausea medication available that won't get people arrested.

    Now. If cancer patients want MJ to relax? Get their minds off their illness? That's something else again. But no one will convince me that MJ relieves cancer pain.
    Some of the anti-nausea medicines go for $1000 a pop. I had to get one once. The shot was $1000! Just crazy expensive.
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    Re: Feds Raid Pot Dispensaries in Washington, Where the Drug is Legal



    What happened to this? Skip to 0:36.
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    Re: Feds Raid Pot Dispensaries in Washington, Where the Drug is Legal

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Actually, it's hard for me to believe there's anything better than morphine for cancer pain.
    By getting you higher than you ever will be on cannabis. Side effects including severe addiction (for which the withdraw period can lead to death) and disorientation do not occur with cannabis use.

    And as for nausea? There's very effective anti-nausea medication available that won't get people arrested.
    Again, with what side effects?

    But no one will convince me that MJ relieves cancer pain.
    This article of the month presents results of a clinical study conducted in the UK and Romania,
    which evaluated the efficacy of a THC:CBD cannabis extract (Sativex®) and a THC cannabis extract
    in the treatment of 177 patients with cancer pain, who experienced inadequate pain reduction
    despite intake of opioids [Johnson et al. J Pain Symptom Manage, 2010, in press]. Sativex resulted
    in a significant improvement of mean pain scores on a primary outcome measure, a Numerical
    Rating Scale (NRS) from 0 to 10 compared to placebo (improvement of -1.37 versus -0.69), while
    the THC extract caused a non-significant improvement (-1.01). Conversely, there was a significant
    improvement in total pain according to the Brief Pain Inventory-Short Form in the THC-group
    compared to placebo but a non-significant improvement following Sativex.

    Keywords: cannabis, THC, cannabidiol, chronic pain, cancer, clinical trial.
    Source:

    Grotenhermen, Franjo. "Cannabinoids in cancer pain." Cannabinoids 5, no. 1 (2010): 1-3.
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    Re: Feds Raid Pot Dispensaries in Washington, Where the Drug is Legal

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I don't think anyone claims MJ cures cancer, HB. It's for pain relief and anti-nausea. Actually, it's hard for me to believe there's anything better than morphine for cancer pain. And as for nausea? There's very effective anti-nausea medication available that won't get people arrested.

    Now. If cancer patients want MJ to relax? Get their minds off their illness? That's something else again. But no one will convince me that MJ relieves cancer pain.
    The doc prescribed one of those anti nausea meds for my mom a few years back. The cost was $400 a month for the prescription, this for an elderly couple living on social security and modest savings.

    Which might give us another clue as to who is anti legalization and why.
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    Re: Feds Raid Pot Dispensaries in Washington, Where the Drug is Legal

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The federal government strikes yet another blow towards protecting us from ourselves and making sure that we continue to have a quarter of the world's prisoners right here in the bastion of liberty.

    Does anyone in Washington understand that the war on drugs isn't working? Does anyone care?
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