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    Re: Feds Raid Pot Dispensaries in Washington, Where the Drug is Legal

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    I have read about pot can/does reduce some effects from chemo.
    Please provide the link to its natural cancer fighting properties.
    There's some very limited work on very specific cancers that show some promise. It's over stated by the poster you're responding to. Some are too willing to accept and not question what they read.

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    Re: Feds Raid Pot Dispensaries in Washington, Where the Drug is Legal

    Quote Originally Posted by HumanBeing View Post
    No, it straight up kills certain types of cancer cells, and severely damages others. This has been proven beyond any doubt.

     
    "Cannabinoids may cause antitumor effects by various mechanisms, including induction of cell death, inhibition of cell growth, and inhibition of tumor angiogenesis invasion and metastasis.[9-12] One review summarizes the molecular mechanisms of action of cannabinoids as antitumor agents.[13] Cannabinoids appear to kill tumor cells but do not affect their nontransformed counterparts and may even protect them from cell death. These compounds have been shown to induce apoptosis in glioma cells in culture and induce regression of glioma tumors in mice and rats. Cannabinoids protect normal glial cells of astroglial and oligodendroglial lineages from apoptosis mediated by the CB1 receptor.[14]"
    Cannabis and Cannabinoids (PDQ) - National Cancer Institute


    It's hard to see how someone who is usually so reasonable would say something so absurd
    Here's the deal. You know when I said nothing would convince me? Well, something convinced me. OMFG. I agree with YOU. That was absurd. I really had no idea.

    Before I go on, see the quote I picked up here from the NCI shown as Spoiler? Why doesn't it show up in your original post? That's just plain weird. Did you edit it or something?

    Anyway, thanks to your frownie face, I Googled and found the exact same thing. We probably Googled the same.

    I am wrong. (I'm glad I'm wrong. Really glad.) Isn't the NCI "the government"? What? Are they nuckin' futz? Or just related to me?

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    Re: Feds Raid Pot Dispensaries in Washington, Where the Drug is Legal

    Quote Originally Posted by HumanBeing View Post
    So you don't believe that human beings should have a basic inalienable right to medicine? Again I ask, what's the point in spending billions upon billions of your dollars on finding a cure to cancer, when the only known natural cure has already been outlawed? Logically, if they make a new cure and find it's easily grown and can get you high, that will end up being illegal too.

    Where does a nation's right to create drug laws end and a human's right to potentially life saving medicine begin?
    As long as the guys with the guns are willing to kick in your door and carry you away, there is no limit to the nation's "right" to enforce its laws. It is all about power, not rights.

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    Re: Feds Raid Pot Dispensaries in Washington, Where the Drug is Legal

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    There's some very limited work on very specific cancers that show some promise. It's over stated by the poster you're responding to. Some are too willing to accept and not question what they read.
    Agreed. I did a quick search and found some articles on the subject. At this stage imo MJ is not a proven cure.

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    Re: Feds Raid Pot Dispensaries in Washington, Where the Drug is Legal

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Here's the deal. You know when I said nothing would convince me? Well, something convinced me. OMFG. I agree with YOU. That was absurd. I really had no idea.

    Before I go on, see the quote I picked up here from the NCI shown as Spoiler? Why doesn't it show up in your original post? That's just plain weird. Did you edit it or something?

    Anyway, thanks to your frownie face, I Googled and found the exact same thing. We probably Googled the same.

    I am wrong. (I'm glad I'm wrong. Really glad.) Isn't the NCI "the government"? What? Are they nuckin' futz? Or just related to me?

    Thank you, Human Being. I've learned something extremely important tonight.
    I put it in a spoiler because some people don't like scrolling through medical jargon. I'm very glad you actually did.

    To those saying it isn't proven, wake up and read again.
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    Re: Feds Raid Pot Dispensaries in Washington, Where the Drug is Legal

    Quote Originally Posted by HumanBeing View Post
    I put it in a spoiler because some people don't like scrolling through medical jargon. I'm very glad you actually did.

    To those saying it isn't proven, wake up and read again.
    You said straight up kills, suggesting a cure. That's overstating. So far, it's more a maybe than Anything else. More breeds to be done before we can be too assertive.

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    Re: Feds Raid Pot Dispensaries in Washington, Where the Drug is Legal

    Oh my God, will the government just leave marijuana users alone already! It's 2013 for Christ's sake. So long as children are not using, like with tobacco and alcohol, an adult should be able to make the decision on their own on whether or not they wish to partake. Taxpayer money for outrageously dangerous S.W.A.T. missions for marijuana busts is asinine.

    Our government needs to treat us like the adults we are.

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    Re: Feds Raid Pot Dispensaries in Washington, Where the Drug is Legal

    Funny to see how the gen public at large will respond to this. There is an uneasiness about the NSA spying already but it hasnt been enough to inspire liberals to turn against their messiah. But...now they are ****ing with their dope....

    so...we'll see...

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    Re: Feds Raid Pot Dispensaries in Washington, Where the Drug is Legal

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You said straight up kills, suggesting a cure. That's overstating.
    I didn't overstate anything. I said it kills cancer cells, it does. That makes it a viable treatment. Chemotherapy works in the same way, but with the massive difference that chemo also kills healthy cells, whereas canabinoids only attack the cancerous cells while protecting the healthy ones. Given the billions upon billions of dollars that have been spent on creating synthetic compounds that do the same thing but with far worse side effects, there is no excuse to prevent cancer patients from access to this medicine.

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    As long as the guys with the guns are willing to kick in your door and carry you away, there is no limit to the nation's "right" to enforce its laws. It is all about power, not rights.
    That's the second thread where you've used this as a fallback argument to counter questions of ethics. It's bad for a number of reasons. The main one is that it doesn't mean anything. I asked whether you think people should have a basic inalienable right to medicine, and your response was basically "well they don't, so that's that". That isn't really an argument or a debate, and it doesn't answer the question.

    Another problem with it is what would happen if someone actually called you out on it. It happens from time to time, people get told their whole lives that their voices and opinions are irrelevant unless they can back it up with mass violence to get their way. It's arguments like that which contrubite towards the creation of the Ted Kaczynski's of this world. If your only argument for weed to be illegal is that you have the will, power, and violent intent to make it so, then I think you should just accept that you don't have an argument at all.
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    Re: Feds Raid Pot Dispensaries in Washington, Where the Drug is Legal

    The feds did this, marijuana is federally illegal. A state shouldn't have the right to go against federal law like this anyway.

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