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    House Defeats Effort to Rein In N.S.A. Data Gathering

    Kinda surprised this didn't show up already:

    WASHINGTON — A deeply divided House defeated legislation Wednesday that would have blocked the National Security Agency from collecting vast amounts of phone records, handing the Obama administration a hard-fought victory in the first Congressional showdown over the N.S.A.’s surveillance activities since Edward J. Snowden’s security breaches last month.

    The 205-to-217 vote was far closer than expected and came after a brief but impassioned debate over citizens’ right to privacy and the steps the government must take to protect national security. It was a rare instance in which a classified intelligence program was openly discussed on the House floor, and disagreements over the program led to some unusual coalitions.


    Conservative Republicans leery of what they see as Obama administration abuses of power teamed up with liberal Democrats long opposed to intrusive intelligence programs. The Obama administration made common cause with the House Republican leadership to try to block it.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/25/us...ring.html?_r=0

    Some notes of note:

    1. This vote shattered party lines.
    2. The vote was the product of an amendment offered by Justin Amash, a new Republican who genuinely opposed big government (a rarity these days) and uses his Facebook page to explain each and every vote he takes.

    Amash and I disagree frequently, but if he ran in my district I'd vote for him every time, no matter who ran against him. He is principled and transparent. You never need to wonder how he'll vote on something, he'll tell you how and why.

    If your Representative voted "no" to this amendment, you would be wise to consider delivering them a message at the ballot box next year:

    http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2013/roll412.xml

    Mine did, but I was planning on voting for his opposition next time no matter what, anyhow -- Finger Vote 2014.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: House Defeats Effort to Rein In N.S.A. Data Gathering

    I would have voted no, but I would consider future bills with some concrete parameters on how long data can be saved and no eavesdropping without a warrant.

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    Re: House Defeats Effort to Rein In N.S.A. Data Gathering

    That makes no sense. Why not vote "yes" and then consider those bills in the future anyway?
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: House Defeats Effort to Rein In N.S.A. Data Gathering

    Bachmann voted for big government. How shocking.
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    Re: House Defeats Effort to Rein In N.S.A. Data Gathering

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Kinda surprised this didn't show up already:



    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/25/us...ring.html?_r=0

    Some notes of note:

    1. This vote shattered party lines.
    2. The vote was the product of an amendment offered by Justin Amash, a new Republican who genuinely opposed big government (a rarity these days) and uses his Facebook page to explain each and every vote he takes.

    Amash and I disagree frequently, but if he ran in my district I'd vote for him every time, no matter who ran against him. He is principled and transparent. You never need to wonder how he'll vote on something, he'll tell you how and why.

    If your Representative voted "no" to this amendment, you would be wise to consider delivering them a message at the ballot box next year:

    http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2013/roll412.xml

    Mine did, but I was planning on voting for his opposition next time no matter what, anyhow -- Finger Vote 2014.
    Mine also voted no, but she's a big-government anti-gun advocate too so I intend to vote for her oposition also.
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    Re: House Defeats Effort to Rein In N.S.A. Data Gathering

    The fact that they are "allowed" to gather data like they are isn't as big of a problem as the fact that, because they are "allowed" to, they keep pumping money and resources into technology that will enable them to continue to improve the methods to gather it. Look at the capabilities they have right at this moment. Does anyone really believe that 20 years from now they will not have technology at their disposal that will make what they are using to day look primitive?

    They will continue to develop more efficient and more invasive ways to gather data as long as we let them.

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    Re: House Defeats Effort to Rein In N.S.A. Data Gathering

    Not sure if it shattered party lines as much as it shattered the GOP. A Republican put the amendment up and his Leadership worked very hard to defeat it. More Republicans voted AGAINST their own member than Democrats. This does make it difficult for the GOP to use 'government run amuck or '1984'' slogans in 2014. Does give an opening to the TP to upset loyal GOP reps who voted for 'big brother is watching'.

    This vote does give a bit of cover to the dems who voted for the amendment- they can claim they are as shocked and appalled as everyone else at the NSA- and Obama gets to keep on truckin'.

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    Re: House Defeats Effort to Rein In N.S.A. Data Gathering

    Interesting that the "party of small government" was far more in support of this. A Republican controlled house didn't pass this, and more Democrats voted to stop NSA spying than Republicans. Keep telling us how the Republican party is protecting the people from big government.
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    Re: House Defeats Effort to Rein In N.S.A. Data Gathering

    Its a shame that anyone voted against this.
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    Re: House Defeats Effort to Rein In N.S.A. Data Gathering

    Mine voted for it.
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