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Jail break at Abu Ghraib

"Hundreds of convicts, including senior members of al-Qaida, broke out of Iraq's Abu Ghraib jail as comrades launched a military-style assault to free them, authorities said on Monday. ...

Suicide bombers drove cars packed with explosives to the gates of the prison on the outskirts of Baghdad on Sunday night and blasted their way into the compound, while gunmen attacked guards with mortars and rocket-propelled grenades. Other militants took up positions near the main road, fighting off security reinforcements sent from Baghdad as several militants wearing suicide vests entered the prison on foot to help free the inmates."

Abu Ghraib jail break: al-Qaida attack frees as many as 500 from Abu Ghraib.


All I can say is: Holy ****.

That's the difference between US Military control, and Iraqi control. They tried that **** before when we were still there, but got sent packing after we killed a **** load of them. I think it was something like 90% of the assaulting force killed and wounded. That was just the personnel we had on site. The Iraqis sent in reinforcements from Baghdad and still lost control of the facility. Fantastic.
 
So you think that, once Saddam falls on his own, there wouldn't be terrorism and civil war?




I haven't seen any evidence that we helped anyone besides Iran by speeding up the process. We certainly didn't help the USA.
 
That's the difference between US Military control, and Iraqi control. They tried that **** before when we were still there, but got sent packing after we killed a **** load of them. I think it was something like 90% of the assaulting force killed and wounded. That was just the personnel we had on site. The Iraqis sent in reinforcements from Baghdad and still lost control of the facility. Fantastic.

I think a huge difference between our Army and let's say the Iraqi Army is our soldiers. We have a different set of core values which sets us apart. It is hard to find soldiers like the ones we make in America.
 
I haven't seen any evidence that we helped anyone besides Iran by speeding up the process. We certainly didn't help the USA.

So you don't think that the Kurds and Iraqi citizens are any better off with Saddam gone?
 
That's the difference between US Military control, and Iraqi control. They tried that **** before when we were still there, but got sent packing after we killed a **** load of them. I think it was something like 90% of the assaulting force killed and wounded. That was just the personnel we had on site. The Iraqis sent in reinforcements from Baghdad and still lost control of the facility. Fantastic.




And probably a good preview of what we will see in the future all over Iraq, unfortunately.
 
I haven't seen any evidence that we helped anyone besides Iran by speeding up the process. We certainly didn't help the USA.

Invasion of Iran 500k
Genocide (twice) 250k
Invasion of Kuwait
Intentional starvation 400k
Institutionalized rape
Large-scale torture
The violation of 17 Ch7 UNSCRs
Firing on a no-fly zone established to prevent further genocide
A fake WMD program


All of that gone, it's a new Chapter in Iraq's history - one with hope for development.
 
So you don't think that the Kurds and Iraqi citizens are any better off with Saddam gone?




No. I don't believe that the hundreds of thousands of dead and crippled for life Iraqis have gained a thing.
 
I'm close to 100 percent sure that it will have even more in future years.

And it will never compare to what Saddam did. When the terrorists kill millions of Iraqis, let me know.
 
You did it in Japan and Germany after you carpet bombed the crap out of them for years... and starved the population. So yes there is a difference.
That's called war, and that's the way one wins them. We try to be a little more humane now. That rarely works. The enemy views it as weakness, and exploits it. So Iraq is a mess, and Afghanistan will be as well.
 
No. I don't believe that the hundreds of thousands of dead and crippled for life Iraqis have gained a thing.

That's ignorance of an astounding level.

Go ask the Kurds or Marsh Arabs.
 
No. I don't believe that the hundreds of thousands of dead and crippled for life Iraqis have gained a thing.

Well, how about the Kurds who don't have to fear being gassed in the streets? How about the Iraqi children that are no longer being deliberately deprived of food by their government? How about the living in Iraq who can now determine their own future?
 
I think a huge difference between our Army and let's say the Iraqi Army is our soldiers. We have a different set of core values which sets us apart. It is hard to find soldiers like the ones we make in America.

We actually train. All the time. Constant training. One company size unit might go through 100,000 rounds in a year, just to ensure unit proficiency with weapons. We can afford that level of training, because it's viewed as the single most important aspect of an effective military. While the enemy is sitting around, jacking off and getting complacent, we're getting ready to kill.

That's the difference.

And probably a good preview of what we will see in the future all over Iraq, unfortunately.

Most likely.
 
And it will never compare to what Saddam did. When the terrorists kill millions of Iraqis, let me know.




Unfortunately, before this is over with, lots of Iraqis may wish that they had Saddam back in power.
 
Invasion of Iran 500k
Genocide (twice) 250k
Invasion of Kuwait
Intentional starvation 400k
Institutionalized rape
Large-scale torture
The violation of 17 Ch7 UNSCRs
Firing on a no-fly zone established to prevent further genocide
A fake WMD program


All of that gone, it's a new Chapter in Iraq's history - one with hope for development.




Read the news.
 
Unfortunately, before this is over with, lots of Iraqis may wish that they had Saddam back in power.

as I said, they have no concept of "freedom". they are just looking for the next dictator to come along and tell them what to do. it's been that way for thousands and thousands of years....it's all they know
 
Well, how about the Kurds who don't have to fear being gassed in the streets? How about the Iraqi children that are no longer being deliberately deprived of food by their government? How about the living in Iraq who can now determine their own future?




How about the hundreds of Al-Qaeda militants who just broke out of prison and have no use for the Iraqi government?
 
Yes, we did.
Not me personally.

But, I think that the vast majority of people who were telling me about Iraq being the "first domino" of freedom and democracy in the Arab world held their beliefs with sincerity. I suspect that some non-insignificant number of them have feelings consternation about the state of affairs in Iraq today.

Wake up and smell the napalm, my fellow americans. ;)
 
We actually train. All the time. Constant training. One company size unit might go through 100,000 rounds in a year, just to ensure unit proficiency with weapons. We can afford that level of training, because it's viewed as the single most important aspect of an effective military. While the enemy is sitting around, jacking off and getting complacent, we're getting ready to kill.

That's the difference.

I don't remember having that much ammunition. We always wanted to shoot more. Never could. Never enough ammo on base. I was in Arty.
 
How about the hundreds of Al-Qaeda militants who just broke out of prison and have no use for the Iraqi government?

We're talking about what ordinary Iraqis have gained from the invasion, remember?
 
I don't remember having that much ammunition. We always wanted to shoot more. Never could. Never enough ammo on base. I was in Arty.

I was in Korea. I went to the range maybe 10-13 times in two years, including about 4 or 5 convoy live fires. We expended the **** out of ammunition.
 
I was in Korea. I went to the range maybe 10-13 times in two years, including about 4 or 5 convoy live fires. We expended the **** out of ammunition.

Convoy fire is the ****!

Maybe we got less bullets because we got to shoot arty.
 
I don't remember having that much ammunition. We always wanted to shoot more. Never could. Never enough ammo on base. I was in Arty.

I'm in the Army reserves and we didn't even have enough ammo to get everyone in my unit qualified on their individual weapon this year. I haven't actually fired a weapon with the Army since 2009. Of course, I'm a logistics officer so it's not quite as important that I be able to hit a target at 300 meters.
 
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