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    Re: Jail break at Abu Ghraib

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    Does anyone honestly think this wouldn't have happened if we didn't invade? It would be only a matter of time before Saddam fell, and after that terrorism, sectarianism and civil war would have occurred anyway. The difference is that we didn't sit by and watch it happen.



    We made it happen, we were there and we were part of it.Hundreds of thousands of Iraqi people died and we don't have clean hands.

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    Re: Jail break at Abu Ghraib

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    We made it happen, we were there and we were part of it.Hundreds of thousands of Iraqi people died and we don't have clean hands.
    So you think that, once Saddam falls on his own, there wouldn't be terrorism and civil war?
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    Re: Jail break at Abu Ghraib

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Yes, we did.
    Not me personally.

    But, I think that the vast majority of people who were telling me about Iraq being the "first domino" of freedom and democracy in the Arab world held their beliefs with sincerity. I suspect that some non-insignificant number of them have feelings consternation about the state of affairs in Iraq today.



    No doubt.

    I'm sure that the people of Iraq will be happy to hear that.

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    Re: Jail break at Abu Ghraib

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Freedom cannot be brought by foreigners with a gun.
    freedom cannot be brought to those who have no concept of freedom. might as well try to teach calculus to a pig.
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    Re: Jail break at Abu Ghraib

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    This is not all that surprising. Iraq has been experiencing a large amount of terrorism this year.



    I'm close to 100 percent sure that it will have even more in future years.

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    Re: Jail break at Abu Ghraib

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    "Hundreds of convicts, including senior members of al-Qaida, broke out of Iraq's Abu Ghraib jail as comrades launched a military-style assault to free them, authorities said on Monday. ...

    Suicide bombers drove cars packed with explosives to the gates of the prison on the outskirts of Baghdad on Sunday night and blasted their way into the compound, while gunmen attacked guards with mortars and rocket-propelled grenades. Other militants took up positions near the main road, fighting off security reinforcements sent from Baghdad as several militants wearing suicide vests entered the prison on foot to help free the inmates."

    Abu Ghraib jail break: al-Qaida attack frees as many as 500 from Abu Ghraib.


    All I can say is: Holy ****.
    That's the difference between US Military control, and Iraqi control. They tried that **** before when we were still there, but got sent packing after we killed a **** load of them. I think it was something like 90% of the assaulting force killed and wounded. That was just the personnel we had on site. The Iraqis sent in reinforcements from Baghdad and still lost control of the facility. Fantastic.
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    Re: Jail break at Abu Ghraib

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    So you think that, once Saddam falls on his own, there wouldn't be terrorism and civil war?



    I haven't seen any evidence that we helped anyone besides Iran by speeding up the process. We certainly didn't help the USA.

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    Re: Jail break at Abu Ghraib

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    freedom cannot be brought to those who have no concept of freedom. might as well try to teach calculus to a pig.
    Like in Japan?
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    Re: Jail break at Abu Ghraib

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    That's the difference between US Military control, and Iraqi control. They tried that **** before when we were still there, but got sent packing after we killed a **** load of them. I think it was something like 90% of the assaulting force killed and wounded. That was just the personnel we had on site. The Iraqis sent in reinforcements from Baghdad and still lost control of the facility. Fantastic.
    I think a huge difference between our Army and let's say the Iraqi Army is our soldiers. We have a different set of core values which sets us apart. It is hard to find soldiers like the ones we make in America.
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    Re: Jail break at Abu Ghraib

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    I haven't seen any evidence that we helped anyone besides Iran by speeding up the process. We certainly didn't help the USA.
    So you don't think that the Kurds and Iraqi citizens are any better off with Saddam gone?
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