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    Re: Jail break at Abu Ghraib

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    No more:

    1. Fake WMD program
    2. Genocide
    3. Intentional starvation of hundreds of thousands of children
    3. Institutionalized rape
    4. Government sanctioned and wide spread torture of political opponents
    5. Dictatorship
    6. Invading neighbors
    7. Firing on UN mandated aircraft enforcing a no-fly to prevent genocide
    8. Violations of UNSCRs
    9. Sanctions
    10. Annihilation of social capital

    And now, instead:

    1. Fledgling democracy
    2. Human rights, at least in law if not thoroughly enforced yet
    3. Foreign aid
    4. UN development projects
    5. Other development projects
    6. Foreign business contracts
    7. A future


    There are many other things that were put to an end, and many other things that have changed for the positive, but I think that illustrates some of the big and obvious stuff.
    There is no more fake WMD program. As for the rest of it, I suppose we'll see in the next few years. Meanwhile, when AlQaeda can carry out the sorts of operations within Iraq that they are doing, it does lead one to wonder just who ultimately won that war.
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    Re: Jail break at Abu Ghraib

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    There is no more fake WMD program. As for the rest of it, I suppose we'll see in the next few years.
    What do you mean?. An end was put to everything on that list and the new stuff is happening right now. It's up to Iraqis to stand up, they are empowered. Under Saddam, they had no chance.

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    Re: Jail break at Abu Ghraib

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    What do you mean?. An end was put to everything on that list and the new stuff is happening right now. It's up to Iraqis to stand up, they are empowered. Under Saddam, they had no chance.
    What sort of "new stuff" is happening?
    Suicide bombings?
    How about Al Qaeda operating within Iraq? That is new stuff, as it wasn't happening before the invasion.
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    Re: Jail break at Abu Ghraib

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    What sort of "new stuff" is happening?
    1. Fledgling democracy
    2. Human rights, at least in law if not thoroughly enforced yet
    3. Foreign aid
    4. UN development projects
    5. Other development projects
    6. Foreign business contracts
    7. A future

    Suicide bombings?
    That's better than genocide. Saddam killed millions of Iraqis in aggressive war, genocide and starvation. When the suicide bombers have killed over a million, let me know.

    How about Al Qaeda operating within Iraq? That is new stuff, as it wasn't happening before the invasion.
    That because Saddam killed everyone that didn't do what he said. An open society comes with criminals. Those criminals must be dealt with in a civilized manner and not through wiping out entire villages to create fear.

    We have terrorists in the US. Terrorists are everywhere in the world. That will never change. The important thing is that Iraq becomes a developing nation instead of a genocidal hellhole of darkness.

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    Re: Jail break at Abu Ghraib

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    1. Fledgling democracy
    2. Human rights, at least in law if not thoroughly enforced yet
    3. Foreign aid
    4. UN development projects
    5. Other development projects
    6. Foreign business contracts
    7. A future



    That's better than genocide. Saddam killed millions of Iraqis in aggressive war, genocide and starvation. When the suicide bombers have killed over a million, let me know.



    That because Saddam killed everyone that didn't do what he said. An open society comes with criminals. Those criminals must be dealt with in a civilized manner and not through wiping out entire villages to create fear.

    We have terrorists in the US. Terrorists are everywhere in the world. That will never change. The important thing is that Iraq becomes a developing nation instead of a genocidal hellhole of darkness.
    and whether it will or not remains to be seen.
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    Re: Jail break at Abu Ghraib

    Imho, the real questions that we should be asking aren't about Iraq--they're about the US.

    We went from having Iraq be a country that was not likely to attack us (according to our best estimates at the time) and now we have an Iraq that doesn't seem likely to attack us.
    Not sure that we got bargain for our costs.



    Apparently, 500,000 Iraqis have been forced to flee their home for fear of violence. So it's not an improvement if you're an Iraqi Christian.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    It means that the time and money came to nothing. If the time and money came to nothing, there can be no other objective.
    It means that the time and money [devoted to fighting terrorism] came to nothing. If the time and money [devoted to fighting terrorism] came to nothing, there can be no other objective.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Jail break at Abu Ghraib

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    and whether it will or not remains to be seen.
    Well, we cannot guarantee anyone prosperity and development (we've enough problems with it ourselves). But we can end genocidal dictators. Saddam had destroyed all the social capital in Iraq. Not a free critical thinker remained. When we kicked Baath out, no one was left in the room. It will take a generation to regrow that social capital. After that, I expect Iraq will develop like an Asian Tiger and become a great nation once again. I look forward to the people of Iraq joining us in the 21st century and contributing to our mutual goals and future.

    We see things happening now in Iraq (listed above) that would have been impossible under Saddam.
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    Re: Jail break at Abu Ghraib

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Well, we cannot guarantee anyone prosperity and development (we've enough problems with it ourselves). But we can end genocidal dictators. Saddam had destroyed all the social capital in Iraq. Not a free critical thinker remained. When we kicked Baath out, no one was left in the room. It will take a generation to regrow that social capital. After that, I expect that Iraq will develop like an Asian Tiger and become a great nation once again. I look forward to the people of Iraq joining us in the 21st century and contributing to our mutual goals and future.

    We see things happening now in Iraq (listed above) that would have been impossible under Saddam.
    and no doubt the thousands of Iraqis who fled the violence will return if that happens.

    The other thousands now in their graves, however, won't.
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    Re: Jail break at Abu Ghraib

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Imho,
    Look, how about you let RDS answer his own questions. And if he doesn't, then we know his position is full of crap.

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    Re: Jail break at Abu Ghraib

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    and no doubt the thousands of Iraqis who fled the violence will return if that happens.

    The other thousands now in their graves, however, won't.
    Saddam killed more Iraqis per year than the coalition has. If he had been left in power, more would be dead.

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