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    Re: Cuba confirms arms bound for North Korea on ship seized in Panama

    Look that some of the recent executions and purges in North Korea leadership were punishment for getting caught smuggling weapons from Cuba. Cuba's air force chief, General Pedro Mendiondo, was "killed" in a mysterious car crash in August 25 after a team of UN experts doing the investigation had requested permission to question the general. In August 29, North Korea's Army Chief General Kim Kyok-sik who led the North Korean delegation to Havana early in July, where the illegal weapons smuggling deal was arranged and met with Raul Castro, was purged from his post and reported killed. And the former North Korea ambassador to Cuba, Jang Yong-chol, also has been put to death. A conspiracy to conceal the true nature of the weapons smuggling? Naaa pure coincidence of course.

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    Re: Cuba confirms arms bound for North Korea on ship seized in Panama

    We should invade and overthrow Cuba... Cuba has absolute ZERO purpose other than to honor our enemies - or at least communist nations or pseudo-communist/capitalists that view the United States as an enemy.

    The US could take Cuba easily - not only that but Russia won't do anything about it nor will China. Of course the UN will disagree but who gives a **** what the UN says anyways - no one has ever respected the UN in the first place.

    The simple fact Cuba has such loyalty to the bigger communist/fascist/authoritarian/totalitarian nations around Geo concerns me.

    Cuba could potentially be a main tourist attraction for US citizens like it was before 1959 when Castro and Guevara couped the joint.

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    Re: Cuba confirms arms bound for North Korea on ship seized in Panama

    Quote Originally Posted by Sandokan View Post
    Look that some of the recent executions and purges in North Korea leadership were punishment for getting caught smuggling weapons from Cuba. Cuba's air force chief, General Pedro Mendiondo, was "killed" in a mysterious car crash in August 25 after a team of UN experts doing the investigation had requested permission to question the general. In August 29, North Korea's Army Chief General Kim Kyok-sik who led the North Korean delegation to Havana early in July, where the illegal weapons smuggling deal was arranged and met with Raul Castro, was purged from his post and reported killed. And the former North Korea ambassador to Cuba, Jang Yong-chol, also has been put to death. A conspiracy to conceal the true nature of the weapons smuggling? Naaa pure coincidence of course.
    North Korea doesn't "purge" they send dissidents to labor camps. Kim-Jung-un collects his citizens - he doesn't purge them. Public execution is his means to make a point.

    North Korea is guilty of war crimes and genocide.

    Hell, even if someone makes it out of North Koera - the North Koreans have a CIA type organization operating in China where they abduct the escapees and bring them back to North Korea to be executed while 3 generations of that individuals family (regardless of how innocent they are) are sent to labor camps forever.

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    Re: Cuba confirms arms bound for North Korea on ship seized in Panama

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    We should invade and overthrow Cuba... Cuba has absolute ZERO purpose other than to honor our enemies - or at least communist nations or pseudo-communist/capitalists that view the United States as an enemy.

    The US could take Cuba easily - not only that but Russia won't do anything about it nor will China. Of course the UN will disagree but who gives a **** what the UN says anyways - no one has ever respected the UN in the first place.

    The simple fact Cuba has such loyalty to the bigger communist/fascist/authoritarian/totalitarian nations around Geo concerns me.

    Cuba could potentially be a main tourist attraction for US citizens like it was before 1959 when Castro and Guevara couped the joint.
    The best way to change Cuba is to keep them isolated. Invading Cuba now would only give China an excuse to invade Taiwan. What we need to do in the USA is compel the Canadians and other European trade partners to curtail tourism to Cuba. Today Cuba ranks as one of the number one destinations for sex tourism in the world, most of the tourists being men seeking to have sex with children. So much for Castro's noble revolution, now he is nothing more than a pimp.

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    Re: Cuba confirms arms bound for North Korea on ship seized in Panama

    Quote Originally Posted by Del Zeppnile View Post
    The best way to change Cuba is to keep them isolated. Invading Cuba now would only give China an excuse to invade Taiwan. What we need to do in the USA is compel the Canadians and other European trade partners to curtail tourism to Cuba. Today Cuba ranks as one of the number one destinations for sex tourism in the world, most of the tourists being men seeking to have sex with children. So much for Castro's noble revolution, now he is nothing more than a pimp.
    Cuba isn't "isolated"..... Cuba is a strategic piece of land. See the Cuban Missile Crisis.

    Cuba is like:"mi casa su casa" to any nation that wishes to overthrow the US - that or decimate us.

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    Re: Cuba confirms arms bound for North Korea on ship seized in Panama

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Cuba isn't "isolated"..... Cuba is a strategic piece of land. See the Cuban Missile Crisis.

    Cuba is like:"mi casa su casa" to any nation that wishes to overthrow the US - that or decimate us.
    As JFK said and I paraphrase, that any missile attack from Cuba would be considered an attack from Soviet Russia and bring "a full retaliatory response" from the United States against Russia itself.

    So insert any other nation into the 'Soviet Russia' part and there is the answer. Cuba is isolated and without many friends. Or at least friends that can do anything for them.

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    Re: Cuba confirms arms bound for North Korea on ship seized in Panama

    Quote Originally Posted by Del Zeppnile View Post
    The best way to change Cuba is to keep them isolated. Invading Cuba now would only give China an excuse to invade Taiwan. What we need to do in the USA is compel the Canadians and other European trade partners to curtail tourism to Cuba. Today Cuba ranks as one of the number one destinations for sex tourism in the world, most of the tourists being men seeking to have sex with children. So much for Castro's noble revolution, now he is nothing more than a pimp.
    Been isolating those pesky Cubans for 60 years give or take an assassination attempt or two. How is that working out?

    I thought Thailand was the Number 1 sex tourism spot.

    Best way is to stop the idiotic one man band attempt to 'isolate' Cuba and normalize relations with them.

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    Re: Cuba confirms arms bound for North Korea on ship seized in Panama

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    We should invade and overthrow Cuba... Cuba has absolute ZERO purpose other than to honor our enemies - or at least communist nations or pseudo-communist/capitalists that view the United States as an enemy.

    The US could take Cuba easily - not only that but Russia won't do anything about it nor will China. Of course the UN will disagree but who gives a **** what the UN says anyways - no one has ever respected the UN in the first place.

    The simple fact Cuba has such loyalty to the bigger communist/fascist/authoritarian/totalitarian nations around Geo concerns me.

    Cuba could potentially be a main tourist attraction for US citizens like it was before 1959 when Castro and Guevara couped the joint.
    More likely we would get a flood of immigrants, spend millions repairing their infrastructure, and our military would become permanent babysitters.

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    Re: Cuba confirms arms bound for North Korea on ship seized in Panama

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Been isolating those pesky Cubans for 60 years give or take an assassination attempt or two. How is that working out?
    Seems to be working just fine. Cuba has their independence and I suppose they are enjoying it the way they like. We had that little incident with the missiles which was resolved. And eventually even the Soviets grew tired of Castro and stopped buying his sugar.

    So all in all, I suppose Cuba is one of the best examples of how Communism doesn't work. At least in a country with no oil, few resources and few people with vision or skills. I mean this Castro government isn't exactly bright like the Vietnamese government is are they? Which speaks to a good point in the fact that Vietnam was at least willing to play ball in order to improve not only their economy but also their relations with the west. Castro on the other hand reminds me of Yassar Arrafat--- willing to keep things as screwed up as he can in some sick way to maintain his position of power. Why would Castro ever want to make things better for Cubans, so he could be proved wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    I thought Thailand was the Number 1 sex tourism spot.

    I said one of the number one sex tourism spots which didn't make sense (there can only be one number one), I misspoke and meant to say one of the top sex tourism locations. In any event, not a thing to be proud of for a nation that claimed to do more to educate and provide opportunity to its citizens than the previous government in Cuba.

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Best way is to stop the idiotic one man band attempt to 'isolate' Cuba and normalize relations with them.
    Why reward Castro when there isn't anything in it for us? If the Castro brothers step down then that would be a first step. But no reason to normalize with Castro any more than we would normalize with North Korea or Iran. The Cuban government is not a nation that has that shown any indication that it is willing to reform. And being that they are not a nation like China or Russia, they aren't holding many cards. To quote Clint Eastwood in Dirty Harry, "a man has got to know his limitations".

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    Re: Cuba confirms arms bound for North Korea on ship seized in Panama

    Quote Originally Posted by Del Zeppnile View Post
    Seems to be working just fine. Cuba has their independence and I suppose they are enjoying it the way they like. We had that little incident with the missiles which was resolved. And eventually even the Soviets grew tired of Castro and stopped buying his sugar. So all in all, I suppose Cuba is one of the best examples of how Communism doesn't work. At least in a country with no oil, few resources and few people with vision or skills. I mean this Castro government isn't exactly bright like the Vietnamese government is are they? Which speaks to a good point in the fact that Vietnam was at least willing to play ball in order to improve not only their economy but also their relations with the west. Castro on the other hand reminds me of Yassar Arrafat--- willing to keep things as screwed up as he can in some sick way to maintain his position of power. Why would Castro ever want to make things better for Cubans, so he could be proved wrong? I said one of the number one sex tourism spots which didn't make sense (there can only be one number one), I misspoke and meant to say one of the top sex tourism locations. In any event, not a thing to be proud of for a nation that claimed to do more to educate and provide opportunity to its citizens than the previous government in Cuba. Why reward Castro when there isn't anything in it for us? If the Castro brothers step down then that would be a first step. But no reason to normalize with Castro any more than we would normalize with North Korea or Iran. The Cuban government is not a nation that has that shown any indication that it is willing to reform. And being that they are not a nation like China or Russia, they aren't holding many cards. To quote Clint Eastwood in Dirty Harry, "a man has got to know his limitations".
    Odd look on it. Cuba has not collapsed and many other countries do trade with the Castro country. Russia didn't grow tired of Cuban sugar but rather was in an economic tailspin and couldn't afford sugar. Communism is working in Cuba, it is more a case of a superpower next door is smothering it. If the Vietnamese were next door I doubt they would flourish... and it is as much we are playing ball with them as a counter balance to the Chinese as the Vietnamese playing with us.

    I've read some on the poverty stricken regions in the Caribbean, Central and South America where desperate people engage in sex for food/money/ a night out. (Do note many of these nations are hailed as 'democratic' ) Cuba is not alone in prostitution, and has had several crack downs and laws passed to limit prostitution... I'd say Cuba is no worse than many other countries in the region.

    Seeing how we tried to kill Fidel a few times in the past, I can see where there might be a grudge against just smiling and forgiving the Gringos. (You seem to forget that part) It does us no good to continue to boycott Cuba, so why continue punishing THE PEOPLE because we don't like two old aging men?

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